San Bernardino

[bonzai272]

5 yards

[blindman]

5 yards

Are you serious? Lol

[cola]

Are you serious? Lol

Your permit is for personal protection, not hunting. Not much need to test your long range skills.

[Cokebottle]

Yep.
It's not a competition and is not timed (I'm sure there's some point where you might get cut off)

The class is not about teaching you to shoot, it is about teaching the laws and responsibilities of carry.
The assumption is that you know how to shoot, the range time simply verifies that you know how to handle a gun safely.

[blindman]

I was just seeing stuff about the distances the other counties shoot at

[Cokebottle]

I was just seeing stuff about the distances the other counties shoot at

San Bernardino runs pretty much at the minimum level required by the state.
Max is a 16 hour class, minimum for renewal is 4 hours, there is no minimum for application, but class and live fire is required.
So it's 4 hours in the class plus whatever time it takes to get everyone through on the range.

A good class at Apple Valley (no more than 24 or so) with no malfunctions, good shooters, and no extended Q&A in the classroom you can likely be out of there by 2.

A couple of counties do the full 16 hours with range qualification at 5, 10, and 15 yards with a time limit.

[bonzai272]

Agreed. The shooting "eval" is not so much about accuracy. It's more about them making sure you can keep your gun pointed down range at all times, even when changed mags, so they know you understand muzzle awareness, and also that you can keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

[sparkx]

Yep.

I spent the better part of the 6 months waffling over which guns I would list.
Initially, it was going to be the Shield (that I bought specifically for the permit a month before I applied), the SP101, and G26.

I then decided on the 1911 rather than the SP101 since I don't shoot the .357 that well and it doesn't conceal any better than the Shield.

Then the reality of the reliability issues of the 1911 hit, and I was back to the SP101.
Finally, a month before class, I decided to buy a G36, so I would still have an option in .45, but with the reliability and familiarity of my G26.

Reality? I've carried the G36 once.
Daily carry is the Shield.
I've never carried the G26, and when I renew, it will be replaced with the Kahr P380 that I bought a month after class. With the MagGuts magazine kits, the Shield 8rd mags hold 9, so the gun is only one shy of the G26... the gun is redundant on the permit, and not as easy to conceal (though I do shoot it marginally better).

So technically, right now, I specifically bought two of my listed guns for the permit, and as of when I renew, it will be all 3.

You shoot the G26 better than the shield?

I was thinking about getting the MagGuts kit but I've heard some bad reviews regarding FTF's. How has it been working for you?

[Cokebottle]

You shoot the G26 better than the shield?

I was thinking about getting the MagGuts kit but I've heard some bad reviews regarding FTF's. How has it been working for you?

The 26 fits my hands just a bit better.

So far no problems at all with the mags.
I've run better than 500 rounds of FMJ and over 200 rounds of JHP without a problem.

I did recently find that my 8rd mags are accepting 10 rounds, so I am watching those closely for signs of malfunction. Another Calgunner said that MG is aware that sometimes you can get 10 in and they can cause reliability issues, so I'm keeping a close eye on them.

I have a class next weekend so we'll see how they do.

[sparkx]

I have a class next weekend so we'll see how they do.

Interested in hearing how they'll work out.

[matix101]

Range qualification is cake.

They ask you to bring 30 rounds for each gun.
That is the maximum you can potentially shoot.

You shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more.
If you get 8 out of 10 into the upper torso near center at 5 yards, you're done.

If not, you get two more tries with each gun.
You're almost close enough to poke 8 holes in the target with your barrel.

thats definitely doable ive been practicing at 7 and 10 yards and have the two compacts i have at this point are pretty well dialed in.
thanks for the confidence boost.

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[matix101]

Agreed. The shooting "eval" is not so much about accuracy. It's more about them making sure you can keep your gun pointed down range at all times, even when changed mags, so they know you understand muzzle awareness, and also that you can keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

yeah figured as much just heard all kinds of different things to "qualify" and was gettin me a bit worried, ive been funding my local range quite heavily since i applied, lol

Your permit is for personal protection, not hunting. Not much need to test your long range skills.

agreed, and a 3in barrell subcompact that most would have on the permit not exactly the rite tool for the long range job...

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[sparkx]

Range day is Saturday. I had a buddy of mine (SBSD) run the gun and it's not registered yet so I think I'm gonna leave it unfortunately. DOJ is lacking...

How long after did you receive the permit?

[cola]

Well my interview was 02/19/16. I hope The DOJ & FBI gives me their blessing soon. I admit I call every day or so. My post-a-note is getting full. Don't want to turn it over.
Mike

[Cokebottle]

agreed, and a 3in barrell subcompact that most would have on the permit not exactly the rite tool for the long range job...

You might be surprised.

My little Kahr P380 is a freaking laser.
First trip to the range I'm shooting with my boss and I joked about running the target to the backstop and making a headshot.
He said that if I could make a headshot there, I could make a body shot anywhere on the 1st floor of our building.

First round clipped the earlobe. Next couple of rounds couldn't see anything.
One through the jaw, one right around the eye, couple more apparent misses.

Pulled the target back and the whole freaking group was head-sized, just offset to the left slightly (I tend to not use enough trigger finger and pull left)

Just need to get it well broken in and find some ammo that it feeds reliably before switching it for the G26 on my permit.