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[StuNami]

Is church security good to add to the GC statement? Has anyone had their church leadership write a letter of recommendation for church security to add to an application?

[Cleverbryan207]

Is church security good to add to the GC statement? Has anyone had their church leadership write a letter of recommendation for church security to add to an application?

Wondering the same exact thing.

[steadyrock]

Is church security good to add to the GC statement? Has anyone had their church leadership write a letter of recommendation for church security to add to an application?

[Dvrjon]

Policy may have changed, but until recently if you used your employer (even at a volunteer gig like church security) as your GC, at best your permit would be restricted to “course and scope of business”. Also, you don’t need a permit to carry on private property so long as you have permission from the owner, so they’d probably view your need to carry at church as not sufficient to carry outside of church.

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Be careful, here. A church is private property, but also a “public place”. The owner’s permission for unlicensed conceal carry has no legal effect on the statutory prohibitions.
CA PEN 25850:

25850. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when the person carries a loaded firearm on the person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.

People v. Perez

California courts have defined a public place variously as "[c]ommon to all or many; general; open to common use". (In re Zorn, 59 Cal. 2d 650, 652 [30 Cal.Rptr. 811, 381 P.2d 635] (barbershop is a public place); see In re Koehne, 59 Cal. 2d 646, 649 [30 Cal.Rptr. 809, 381 P.2d 633]); "a place where the public has a right to go and to be ....

Church security threads:
2015 Non-Legal Advice from Michel Attorney

Dec 2018 Discussion

Also, see CalGuns Wiki...People v. Overturf.

[igs]

CA PEN 25850:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...r=3.&article=4.

[Dvrjon]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...r=3.&article=4.

May I suggest you tell the courts they are wrong? The citations provided explain the difference between "having" a firearm within a business or on a private property with carrying a concealed weapon in a public place. The previous postings also explain this.

26035. Nothing in Section 25850 shall prevent any person engaged in any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful purposes connected with that business, ,...

That doesn't exempt the agent from the concealed carry prohibitions. It simply allows the individual to "have" the firearm, nor does it waive the Court's findings of private property as a "public place" prohibition.

.... or any person in lawful possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that property.

Again, "having" on private property, but this time limited to ONLY the individual in lawful possession of the property...no agents or representatives. But, also no exception the private property as a "public places" prohibition.

Happy New Year.

[fifteen]

If I spend ~half my time in OC and half in SF, can i still apply in OC? Does my DMV address have to be the OC one?

[9Cal_OC]

If I spend ~half my time in OC and half in SF, can i still apply in OC? Does my DMV address have to be the OC one?

Yes and yes. Base it off of your primary residence or where you get your mail to.

[igs]

May I suggest you tell the courts they are wrong? The citations provided explain the difference between "having" a firearm within a business or on a private property with carrying a concealed weapon in a public place. The previous postings also explain this.

That doesn't exempt the agent from the concealed carry prohibitions. It simply allows the individual to "have" the firearm, nor does it waive the Court's findings of private property as a "public place" prohibition.Again, "having" on private property, but this time limited to ONLY the individual in lawful possession of the property...no agents or representatives. But, also no exception the private property as a "public places" prohibition.

Happy New Year.

26035 is an exemption to 25850 which about carrying in a public place.

[Dvrjon]

26035 is an exemption to 25850 which about carrying in a public place.

having a loaded firearm within, or any person in lawful possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that propertyPEN 26010.

26010.
Section 25850 does not apply to the carrying of any handgun by any person as authorized pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5.

[igs]

having a loaded firearm within, or any person in lawful possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that propertyPEN 26010.

[Kenny Arsen]

Can anyone please tell me if Orange County is currently requiring a good cause statement? If so, any direct links on format or good cause examples would be greatly appreciated, along with any other information that may help.

I did attempt at searching through this thread but wasn't very successful in finding a definitive answer.

TIA

[9Cal_OC]

Can anyone please tell me if Orange County is currently requiring a good cause statement? If so, any direct links on format or good cause examples would be greatly appreciated, along with any other information that may help.

I did attempt at searching through this thread but wasn't very successful in finding a definitive answer.

TIA

Yes.

And format may vary. Mine was a page. But added documentation with it so that increased page count.

You can base it off your job (depends what you do), carrying large amounts of cash, traveling or hiking in remote areas, etc has worked for some.

[GlockN'Roll]

Can anyone please tell me if Orange County is currently requiring a good cause statement? If so, any direct links on format or good cause examples would be greatly appreciated, along with any other information that may help.

I did attempt at searching through this thread but wasn't very successful in finding a definitive answer.

TIA

"Eligibility Requirements
The licensing authority specified in Penal Code sections 26150 and 26155 (a Sheriff or the Chief or other head of a municipal police department) may issue a license to persons who are of good moral character, who have completed a course of training, and have good cause for issuance of a Carry Concealed Weapon license. All applicants for a Carry Concealed Weapon license will be Live Scanned and state and federal records will be checked to determine if they are eligible to possess firearms."

"Required Documents:
Valid California Driver’s License or ID Card - Must have your current address in Orange County.
Proof of OC Residency – At least two (2) of the following documents showing your current address in Orange County (Utility bill, Lease/Rental Agreement, Telephone Bill, Tax Bill, etc.)
Detailed Good Cause statement and supporting documentation.
DD-214/Orders(Military only)
Certificate of Naturalization, Green Card and/or Passport (If you were born outside the United States)
CCW Permit (Renewals only)
Additional documents may be requested at the discretion of the application processor "

http://www.ocsd.org/about_ocsd/services/ccw

"It does appear that the OCSD has been a little more focused on quality documents to verify the claims made in the good cause statement,
but there doesn't seem to be any changes in the types of reasons they will accept to satisfy the requirement and the issuance rate is on par as to what it was previously before Barnes was sworn in.
For example, the OCSD may ask you for photos or letters to demonstrate that you indeed perform certain job duties if you use that as a claim,
or evidence that you do frequently participate in recreational activities in remote areas without cell phone service or nearby help.
Plan on having a document to support every section of your good cause reasons,
but the OCSD staff provides excellent customer service in helping you understand what types of documents they require of you. Nobody should be discouraged to apply."

https://www.californiagunpermit.com/how-to-get-your-permit-in-the-oc.html

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