Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[cdmcdoug]

What if someone from Nevada bought a Ruger SR1911 in Nevada, and then came to SoCal on a pleasure trip with the gun. Could I buy it from that person and do a PPT through a dealer? Would I have to do an SSE conversion before the PPT? Is it legal for me to personnally buy a gun from a resident of another state who is visiting the area?

[kemasa]

No, PPTs have to be between CA residents. If the person moved here, then it could be transferred once the person got a CA ID. You could both go to a FFL, but then it would be just a normal transfer, so it would have to be on the roster.

[cdmcdoug]

Thank you kemasa for the quick response.

[97F1504RAD]

No, PPTs have to be between CA residents. If the person moved here, then it could be transferred once the person got a CA ID. You could both go to a FFL, but then it would be just a normal transfer, so it would have to be on the roster.

Wait a minute, I thought PPT were exempt from the roster?

[ke6guj]

Wait a minute, I thought PPT were exempt from the roster?

PPTs are exempt from the roster, but an out-of-state resident can not participate in a CA-defined PPT DROS. An out-of-state seller would need to do a regular transfer to the FFL who would then do a regular DROS to the buyer, but it wouldn't be a PPT, and since it isn't a PPT, it isn't roster-exempt.

[97F1504RAD]

PPTs are exempt from the roster, but an out-of-state resident can not participate in a CA-defined PPT DROS. An out-of-state seller would need to do a regular transfer to the FFL who would then do a regular DROS to the buyer, but it wouldn't be a PPT, and since it isn't a PPT, it isn't roster-exempt.

Right, I understand that but check the bold part of Kemasa's statement that I quoted which is what puzzled me. I suspect he made a typo and would should have been wouldn't.

[morrcarr67]

No, PPTs have to be between CA residents. If the person moved here, then it could be transferred once the person got a CA ID. You could both go to a FFL, but then it would be just a normal transfer, so it would have to be on the roster.

Wait a minute, I thought PPT were exempt from the roster?

PPTs are exempt from the roster, but an out-of-state resident can not participate in a CA-defined PPT DROS. An out-of-state seller would need to do a regular transfer to the FFL who would then do a regular DROS to the buyer, but it wouldn't be a PPT, and since it isn't a PPT, it isn't roster-exempt.

Right, I understand that but check the bold part of Kemasa's statement that I quoted which is what puzzled me. I suspect he made a typo and would should have been wouldn't.

F150 - I can see your confusion.

Kemasa's first sentence is telling the other guy that PPT are only between 2 CA residents:

No, PPTs have to be between CA residents. If the person moved here, then it could be transferred once the person got a CA ID.

Kemasa's second sentence is saying because the person number 2 is not a CA resident he can't be part of a CA PPT.

You could both go to a FFL, but then it would be just a normal transfer, so it would have to be on the roster

Though I disagree with his statement that the gun would need to be on the roster.

Either the CA resident or the firearm in question would need to be roster exempt. And seeing that this is a thread about the Single Shot Exemption I would have recommended that the OOS seller convert his gun to a Single Shot Exempt form so that he could sell it to the CA resident.

Like Kemasa said though it would be a standard FFL transfer and the transferring FFL could charge what ever they want.

[kemasa]

Wait a minute, I thought PPT were exempt from the roster?

With an out of state resident, it would be the same as if the firearm was shipped since PPTs are only between CA residents. As said, PPTs are exempt, but the example is not a PPT.

[SoulStealer]

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Jon Unruh has some really great cash/check/money order pricing ...

Thanks for the info!

[cdmcdoug]

SSE From Out of State

Thanks everyone for all the info.

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. PPTs are only between Calif residents.
2. If I buy from an out of state person, whether they are physically here or at home, the gun has to go through FFL transfer at a dealer, with the usual resulting charges, as if it was shipped.
3. Additionally, if the gun is off-roster, and I am buying from someone out of state, it has to be changed to SSE(either somewhere else or at local dealer) before it can be transferred to me.
4. After the off-roster gun is owned by a CA resident, it can be PPTed to any other CA resident, without worrying about the SSE.

[morrcarr67]

Thanks everyone for all the info.

Let's see if I have this straight:

1. PPTs are only between Calif residents. YES
2. If I buy from an out of state person, whether they are physically here or at home, the gun has to go through FFL transfer at a dealer, with the usual resulting charges, as if it was shipped. YES
3. Additionally, if the gun is off-roster, and I am buying from someone out of state, it has to be changed to SSE(either somewhere else or at local dealer) before it can be transferred to me. YES
4. After the off-roster gun is owned by a CA resident, it can be PPTed to any other CA resident, without worrying about the SSE. YES

You did pretty good. 100%

[97F1504RAD]

With an out of state resident, it would be the same as if the firearm was shipped since PPTs are only between CA residents. As said, PPTs are exempt, but the example is not a PPT.

Yes I know, which is why your post confused me.

[joefreas]

Best thread I've see all year!

[acmetim]

this is a long thread and i admittedly only breezed thru it- but if somebody would indulge me.... i have a single shot n.e.f. .357 rifle( break barrel) can i sell this to somebody sans any paperwork?

[kemasa]

this is a long thread and i admittedly only breezed thru it- but if somebody would indulge me.... i have a single shot n.e.f. .357 rifle( break barrel) can i sell this to somebody sans any paperwork?

Only if it is over 50 years old. You can sell it to a FFL, but the FFL is going to want to see your ID.