Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[emsalex]

Very good to know as the lcp is on my tax return list and my wife thinks its "cute"

[ripro75]

Ah, ok, cool. I am in RSVL off 65. So not too far away from where you are. So, the Ruger LCP (didn't know it would require an SSE) and any 1911 are the only ones you are able to do, in-house?

Glad to know you're close though. Thank you

These are the only ones I currently have kits for, more kits are in the works.

[jsr3313]

These are the only ones I currently have kits for, more kits are in the works.

OK, cool....I want to do an XDm 9mm in the future.

[echoarms]

So is it still everyone's opinion that a mag lock need be installed? How is a removable sled not meet the requirements? If someone takes it out and replaces it with a standard capacity mag, how is it different than replacing a regular length barrel?

[kemasa]

A long barrel alone does not make it a single shot, so you should make it such that a tool is needed to be able to allow for additional rounds. Without a tool, they could consider it not to be a single shot. A firearm without a magazine is a single shot, but it is not considered to be that.

[echoarms]

A long barrel alone does not make it a single shot, so you should make it such that a tool is needed to be able to allow for additional rounds. Without a tool, they could consider it not to be a single shot. A firearm without a magazine is a single shot, but it is not considered to be that.

But using that logic I could switch the barrel without tools to make it non compliant as well. Wouldn't one need to make a fitted barrel where a standard barrel would no longer work?

[Paperchasin]

Okay, here's my situation: The gun that I want is no longer being sold NEW by any FFL (in-state and out-of-state). But there is local FFL that has an SSE conversion for the pistol. I have scoured the internet and forums and I've found someone out-of-state that is selling the gun that I want. Can I purchase the off-roster handgun USED (or PPT) from someone out-of-state??

If so, I think I'd have to have the seller take the off-roster gun to his local FFL and have his local FFL ship to my FFL? I assume this would be similar to a consignment-type of transaction? And once my local FFL receives the off-roster gun, he can convert it to SSE and my DROS can begin? If this works, will I be subject to sales tax?

[kemasa]

A PPT is where both the buyer and seller go to the same FFL. An out of state purchase is not a PPT. This would not be like a consignment.

You can purchase the firearm and have it shipped to your local FFL. Somewhere along the way it could be converted to a single shot, such as by your local FFL, and then it could be transferred (DROS submitted).

If the person that is selling it is a private party, it is an occasional sale and it is not from a business (such as a consignment), then there would be no sales tax.

The firearm does not need to be shipped by a FFL.

[Paperchasin]

A PPT is where both the buyer and seller go to the same FFL. An out of state purchase is not a PPT. This would not be like a consignment.

You can purchase the firearm and have it shipped to your local FFL. Somewhere along the way it could be converted to a single shot, such as by your local FFL, and then it could be transferred (DROS submitted).

If the person that is selling it is a private party, it is an occasional sale and it is not from a business (such as a consignment), then there would be no sales tax.

The firearm does not need to be shipped by a FFL.

Thanks for the response. Just curious as to how the DROS would be completed in this case. Would the seller need to send accompanying identification documentation along with the pistol? Does liability/legality of the sale of the gun to me fall upon the FFL receiving the gun?

[kemasa]

But using that logic I could switch the barrel without tools to make it non compliant as well. Wouldn't one need to make a fitted barrel where a standard barrel would no longer work?

You would be replacing a part of the firearm, the barrel, rather than just removing a block with a tool for the magazine. This is a bit of a legal aspect which the lawyers would need to figure out, but I don't know that you want to give anyone some ideas as a way to block this loophole.

Thanks for the response. Just curious as to how the DROS would be completed in this case. Would the seller need to send accompanying identification documentation along with the pistol? Does liability/legality of the sale of the gun to me fall upon the FFL receiving the gun?

I am not sure of what you mean by "identification documentation".

Doing the conversion could result in legal liability, but you would need to talk to an attorney about that. It is the same as making changes and then having a problem where someone gets hurt. What specific legal aspect are you concerned with?

[Paperchasin]

I am not sure of what you mean by "identification documentation".

Doing the conversion could result in legal liability, but you would need to talk to an attorney about that. It is the same as making changes and then having a problem where someone gets hurt. What specific legal aspect are you concerned with?

I am concerned that the out-of-state private seller will refuse to ship his gun to my FFL because he recognizes that the gun is not on the CA Roster, since it will be the FFL receiving the gun that will perform the SSE on the gun. I am also curious as to how the DROS paperwork process will be completed when the seller & buyer will not be present at the same time to sign the paperwork. I thought that the seller might attach identification so that the FFL can start the DROS process...that is what I was referring to when I said "identification documentation."

[Cyc Wid It]

The out of state private seller can refuse to sell it to you if they feel like it or are too lazy to read up on our laws. It happens. I was able to convince someone on Gunbroker to ship an off-rostered gun over, and my FFL offered to speak with the seller to explain things. Good luck.

[kemasa]

I am concerned that the out-of-state private seller will refuse to ship his gun to my FFL because he recognizes that the gun is not on the CA Roster, since it will be the FFL receiving the gun that will perform the SSE on the gun. I am also curious as to how the DROS paperwork process will be completed when the seller & buyer will not be present at the same time to sign the paperwork. I thought that the seller might attach identification so that the FFL can start the DROS process...that is what I was referring to when I said "identification documentation."

Sellers can refuse to ship to CA for any reason or no reason at all. You could be exempt, such as a LEO. The only thing the seller needs to consider is what happens if you can't transfer it, which is really not their problem since they don't have to accept returns or give refunds due to you issues (can't transfer it).

It is not a PPT since the other person is not a CA resident. If it was a PPT, then you would not have to consider the SSE. It is done as a normal dealer sale, although for a SSE, it is submitted as exempt.

[SoulStealer]

Does anybody have a list of Out of state dealers that will ship to California??
Or who they have dealt with that will ship an off roster gun?? trying to keep up with the info!

[RippSpeed]

Does anybody have a list of Out of state dealers that will ship to California??
Or who they have dealt with that will ship an off roster gun?? trying to keep up with the info!

I get my STI stuff from Jon Unruh @ www.oakhillenterprises.com and I got my off roster HK stuff from Rick Stokes @ www.stokesclassicarms.com...

Jon Unruh has some really great cash/check/money order pricing ...