Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[Librarian]

Can't address anything specifically (because I don't know anything) but bringing up ATF in this context sets the BS-meter moving. The Roster is a state law, the SSE is an explicit exception to that state law, and ATF is primarily charged with enforcing Federal law.

[emgee00]

Hey Guys...Moderators...Gene...Those in the know?!?!

I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and asked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanted to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. He said that they (ATF/DOJ) were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to original configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD...but did not know without researching, so, did not want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want to and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.

I think you either got bad info or have the info crossed up somehow.

The ATF doesn't care about SSE's because these are being done to skirt around the CA Legal Roster BS.

I have talked to the DOJ about this on several different occasions and they are well aware of the things that are happening.

The only way that some FFL's are going to get in trouble is if they are doing something wrong. As far as the SSE goes, it is completely legal and DOJ is OK with it for the present time. They may change the laws to prevent it in the future but I think they are trying to worry about defending themselves over the lawsuits regarding the legal roster.

Just my $0.02 on this matter, for what it's worth

[morrcarr67]

Flow chart:

Is gun on roster?
If yes -> buy per usual
If no ----
Is gun a Pistol?
If yes -> single shot exempt
If no ----
Is gun a Revolver?
If yes -> Convert to Single Action Only
If no -> You're probably looking to buy something that can't be exempted.

Done.

Fixed it for you Cyc

[GR8Guns]

Hey Guys...Moderators...Gene...Those in the know?!?!

I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and sked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanteed to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. HE said that they were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to roiginal configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD, but did not know without researching so did nor want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want ot and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.

Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?

[morrcarr67]

Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?

You're not "Manufacturing" anything. You are "modifying" a gun "manufactured" by someone else.

[Librarian]

Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?

Suppose you buy a gun that is on the Roster, and it has a magazine disconnect.

You then remove or disable the magazine disconnect.

That's legal.

Gunsmithing your own gun is legal, so long as you don't manufacture an 'assault weapon' or other actually banned/regulated gun (without all the right paperwork).

Restoring the original parts to a SSE converted handgun is gunsmithing.

[kemasa]

But it is the customer who should be doing the change, not the FFL.

[morrcarr67]

But it is the customer who should be doing the change, not the FFL.

The FFL may do the change if the customer has already taken full delivery of the gun. The FFL can not change it back before then.

[seamore17]

You are fine since you already own it. Just bring it into the state and then send off the volreg form with the fee.

Bigger question is how did you buy it if you are a "california resident"? I hope you mean native. And that you got a TX DL while there and purchased it with that. Unless there is some military exemption to out of state sales I'm not aware of, which is totally possible.

thank you.and yes i am in the military

[seamore17]

They are not illegal they simply are not on the approved roster.

it is nice to hear that cause i don't want to sell my glock.do i still need to make any changes to my gun like the single shot when i get to california?

[97F1504RAD]

it is nice to hear that cause i don't want to sell my glock.do i still need to make any changes to my gun like the single shot when i get to california?

No, the only thing you will be required to do is register it. Here is the form for that.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf

However you cannot bring any high capacity magazines into the state unless you first disassemble them. And then you may not reassemble them while in the state unless you modify them to only hold 10 rounds.

[Direct Action Solutions]

We have updates some info on our site about SSE transfers as well as guns that are available.

Our Site

Single Shot Exempt Pistol List

SSE Explanation

If you still have questions, please give us a call anytime.

[GR8Guns]

Thanks for the clarification on gunsmithing. I have one more question: could we, as consumers, be penalized for relying on an FFL's representation that the gun we are buying is a true single shot pistol if it turns out that the FFL's configuation is faulty? In other words, if a DOJ audit finds that the barrels an FFL uses are too short or if the magazine block or lock is not adequate, could the already completed sales be nullified somehow? I understand that it is not a crime to buy an off roster gun, but I wonder if the purchase under these circumstances is vulnerable, or is the FFL the only one that needs to worry?

[morrcarr67]

Thanks for the clarification on gunsmithing. I have one more question: could we, as consumers, be penalized for relying on an FFL's representation that the gun we are buying is a true single shot pistol if it turns out that the FFL's configuation is faulty? In other words, if a DOJ audit finds that the barrels an FFL uses are too short or if the magazine block or lock is not adequate, could the already completed sales be nullified somehow? I understand that it is not a crime to buy an off roster gun, but I wonder if the purchase under these circumstances is vulnerable, or is the FFL the only one that needs to worry?

NO. It's on the FFL to make sure they are fallowing the law.

[kemasa]

I have to wonder about that since I heard that there were some firearms that were transferred under the claim that they were on the certified list, but the specific model was not (magazine release as I recall). I think that the end result was that the firearms had to be returned, but I am not sure.