San Bernardino

[gregandrew]

Had my interview today, exactly 90 days from application/Sarah's phone call.
Interviewer was professional and very sharp. After review of my originals and
taking what he needed from my copies, he left me with a questionnaire regarding my past, and some do and don't pages to sign while he went to run DMV. When he came back he did a review of my answers. Then directed to LiveScan. It was 1100 by then and was told to sign list and be back by 1300. When I returned the list was very long, and the technicians were advising LiveScan folks that the wait would be 2 hours. Bottom line in at 0945 for the 1000 interview time, out at 1345. Detective told me that soon, the applicant will be able to complete process at the counter. Also that by the time I renew, THAT process will also change. Overall a great experience with a very professional group of officers.

Had about the same exact experience, on the same day. In at 8:45 for 9am Interview and waited a couple hours for a 10 minute LiveScan. Then back to the office where all the fingerprint folks were out to lunch. Went to lunch myself and came back for a quick thumb print and done. The officer i interviewed with was very professional also. They did say that the DOJ work was taking more like 120 days currently also.

A couple things struck me as odd during the process though. They ask you to list all of your interactions with law enforcement for your entire life. If you were questioned or even arrested, for something that you did not do or were not plead, tried or convicted for, how would the information be of use to them in determining your fitness? Also, I was under the impression that all juvenile records were automatically sealed at the age of 18. If that is the case, then what right would they have to ask about issues in your childhood. I am pretty sure that I probably forgot at least one moving violation and accident, but it gets a little fuzzy when you are talking 38 years of driving memory. They ask some questions that seem to be testing how truthful you are in answering more than providing them information (Have you ever lost your temper?). And, of course, there were the 15 or so questions that were asked 3 times on paper and one or more times verbally.

[Albs]

A couple things struck me as odd during the process though. They ask you to list all of your interactions with law enforcement for your entire life. If you were questioned or even arrested, for something that you did not do or were not plead, tried or convicted for, how would the information be of use to them in determining your fitness? Also, I was under the impression that all juvenile records were automatically sealed at the age of 18. If that is the case, then what right would they have to ask about issues in your childhood.

No such thing as sealed documents when applying for a CCW. Even if you had sealed documents, they will find out and question you for it.

[Cokebottle]

No such thing as sealed documents when applying for a CCW. Even if you had sealed documents, they will find out and question you for it.

Yep.
Same for that "stop and talk" at the park 10 years ago.
You don't know what was documented. If you provided ID, you were probably run for warrants so the contact was logged.

[R Dale]

Had about the same exact experience, on the same day. In at 8:45 for 9am Interview and waited a couple hours for a 10 minute LiveScan. Then back to the office where all the fingerprint folks were out to lunch. Went to lunch myself and came back for a quick thumb print and done. The officer i interviewed with was very professional also. They did say that the DOJ work was taking more like 120 days currently also.

A couple things struck me as odd during the process though. They ask you to list all of your interactions with law enforcement for your entire life. If you were questioned or even arrested, for something that you did not do or were not plead, tried or convicted for, how would the information be of use to them in determining your fitness? Also, I was under the impression that all juvenile records were automatically sealed at the age of 18. If that is the case, then what right would they have to ask about issues in your childhood. I am pretty sure that I probably forgot at least one moving violation and accident, but it gets a little fuzzy when you are talking 38 years of driving memory. They ask some questions that seem to be testing how truthful you are in answering more than providing them information (Have you ever lost your temper?). And, of course, there were the 15 or so questions that were asked 3 times on paper and one or more times verbally.

IMO they should not ask you about anything over ten years ago especially if had nothing to do with being arrested or accused of a violent crime. The fact is people forget or sometimes not even aware of what info some agency may have on them and only current verifiable info should be taken into account when making a decision on a CCW issue.

This is the reason we need a state standard that all IA's have to follow and that standard should be available to everyone even before you apply for a CCW, also any info that the a IA can pull up on you should be made available to you just for the asking even if they have charge a small fee for the info.

[Albs]

Yep.
Same for that "stop and talk" at the park 10 years ago.
You don't know what was documented. If you provided ID, you were probably run for warrants so the contact was logged.

Indeed, I had an incident years ago where I was harassed by my friend's neighbor. My friend and I went to the local pd and filed a complaint against him. When I went to go apply for CCW, my interviewing officer and asked me about a vandalism report that was on my records. In the beginning I had no clue what he was talking about, but after providing me some more details, I clearly explained to him the situation.

[Cokebottle]

IMO they should not ask you about anything over ten years ago especially if had nothing to do with being arrested or accused of a violent crime. The fact is people forget or sometimes not even aware of what info some agency may have on them and only current verifiable info should be taken into account when making a decision on a CCW issue.

When I was handed the supplemental question sheet, she indicated to read and answer each question, quote "emphasis on ever" as each question began "Have you ever" or something like that.

So they are *asking* for everything.
On the phone, when I was discussing residence and job history with Sarah, she indicated that they only needed to go back 10 years (I had already ordered my SSI records because I could not recall specific dates from the 80s).
There is no indication in the paperwork that they only wanted 10 years, so I was accurate to the month and year on residence and job changes as best I could recall.

I did express concern that of my previous employers, only one was still in business with a valid phone number/contact person. It was a non-issue.

[diese]

How does the process of renewal work in San Bernardino? Do you have to resubmit all the paperwork (Birth cert, gas bill... etc)?

[Cokebottle]

A new application, with utility bill and property tax bill/lease, new background check and a 4 hour class. No birth certificate or live scan, etc. Fees for the class, the background, and the license. Can only do additions at time of renewal now

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4 hour class including range, or is range only needed when making a change?

[Cokebottle]

Range only needed when making a change

Cool.

That's what it sounded like when you referred to Tuesday's class at Third St.
I didn't THINK you'd hold class at the HQ then drive to the range for qualification.

[huey chief]

employeer knowledge

Yeah this part blows. If they must continue to contact they really shouldn't say what it's for. Should be confidential and left up to you to explain the reason.

Oh gee that happens from time to time because you son has a top secret clearance and they periodically check up his immediate family. Whatever to deflect and keep going without other questions and nobody thinking you are a nut.


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I actually asked my employeer for a letter of recommendation.

This does 2 things:

1. covers your *** if gun is seen by someone at work, you can just tell them non of their business.
2. IT MAY BE a very helpful letter to have to back-up your reason for CCW

[Cokebottle]

I actually asked my employeer for a letter of recommendation.

This does 2 things:

1. covers your *** if gun is seen by someone at work, you can just tell them non of their business.
2. IT MAY BE a very helpful letter to have to back-up your reason for CCW

Negative ghostrider.

You have a point with #1, though honestly, it really is none of their business. If your boss is aware, simply inform them that the company is aware of it.

For #2, in San Bernardino, there is no need to back up the good cause statement.
The letter will not even been looked at by the interviewer... it will be pushed back across the counter with any other extraneous documents you may have brought.
Even worse, if your employer indicates that you need the CCW for your employment, your permit MAY possibly be specifically restricted from the workplace. All permits are marked "Not valid for employment"
SBSD does not want to have their permit holders using the permit to carry as security people.

If you have a good relationship with your employer and the HR department, and you know it will be well-received, then it won't hurt to give them a heads-up that you are applying and for them to look for the employment verification letter shortly after your interview.

[herdafer]

Do I need to notify SBCSD of an employment change, or do I just show the change at renewal?

I know it says to notify SBCSD, in writing, of any changes of address within ten days; but I assume that means residential address. I know they are busy so I didn't really want to call.

[Nopal]

...The fact is people forget or sometimes not even aware of what info some agency may have on them and only current verifiable info should be taken into account when making a decision on a CCW issue.

This is the reason we need a state standard that all IA's have to follow and that standard should be available to everyone even before you apply for a CCW....

The standard, as far as the bare minimum, is there (no disqualifying convictions and that's it). But as you've said, IAs don't have to follow it. We know that the SBSD has its own "standards" but they are not published or otherwise available to mere commoners, so for all we know you can be disqualified because of how you voted or the tone of your skin or what you had for breakfast.

The state's requirements are relatively easy to understand, and though they are somewhat onerous, they're not difficult to follow. Freedom-loving sheriffs simply make sure they comply with the law, and that's it. They issue strictly per the law and respect carry as a right which make them virtually shall-issue. Self-important sheriffs play all these sorts of politically-masturbatory games with internal "standards," and all sorts of checks that ultimately won't make a difference in the streets. SBSD is simply not virtual shall-issue.
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[SonorousAria]

San Bernardino

Do I need to notify SBCSD of an employment change, or do I just show the change at renewal?

I know it says to notify SBCSD, in writing, of any changes of address within ten days; but I assume that means residential address. I know they are busy so I didn't really want to call.

I asked the same question when I renewed in November because I was looking at a new job. They told me I only need to tell them when I renew.

If you have any questions, I wouldn't be afraid to call. Even though they are busy, they are still very receptive. They would rather you get the right info, then act in the wrong info.


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[Cokebottle]

If you have any questions, I wouldn't be afraid to call. Even though they are busy, they are still very receptive. They would rather you get the right info, then act in the wrong info.

This.

The staff is GREAT and I've never once felt rushed or felt like they resented my call. They are always more than willing to answer any questions.