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[RustyIron]

My initial interview seemed to go really well, I was told to do my live scan and email the deputy when the scan was done. Also, I could wait to train until the results came back. Not a word was mentioned about my good cause statement. Is that unusual?

If nothing was said, I wouldn't worry about it, and I wouldn't start asking questions. When my wife and I were at your stage, we just did our livescan and then did the training. It was premature, but it saved time. Good luck.

[GlockN'Roll]

If nothing was said, I wouldn't worry about it, and I wouldn't start asking questions.

When my wife and I were at your stage, we just did our livescan and then did the training.

It was premature, but it saved time.

Good luck.

I did the very same thing.

I believe that they take advantage of the first interview to raise concerns.

In the absence of concerns, they start the process ...

[Roering]

I have been mulling over including something in my good cause statement about my heritage. While I am not religious and was actually raised a Christian, I share the last name of a second cousin, a Jewish-American who once had very close ties to the big politicos in Washington D.C. In light of the terrorist issues, should I bring this up. My primary safety concern has nothing to do with my heritage, but my statement may need something more than professionally related risks me to be approved for a CCW.

In a way I feel that if I even mention terrorism, I am taking advantage of the victims of the San Bernardino slaughter.

What do you guys think? Should I put it in or nix it?

For terrorism, can you reference to where you were specifically, individually named as a target by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, IRA, etc. etc.

My understanding is that for a GC you will need to display a personal specific threat or danger.

[Chewy65]

Keep in mind that the initial interviewer is not the decision maker. This week the interviewer did tell my wife to go get the livescan done. I believe they are trying to save the applicant time because it takes so long, but your good cause statement has not been approved by the Sheriff until you receive the conditional approval letter.
Point is if you do the livescan prior to that, you are gambling with a hundred bucks. Also a $200 gamble if you do the training before receiving the conditional approval letter. A good gamble if you feel good about your good cause statement-otherwise you may want to wait. I recd my conditional approval letter within weeks, not months, of my initial interview, so waiting didnt really delay things too much..

So you think they send out conditional approval letters before knowing what is reported back as a result of the live scan? Can anyone knowledgeable about the process, Doheny, confirm that is how OC now works?

[kriller134]

Keep in mind that the initial interviewer is not the decision maker. This week the interviewer did tell my wife to go get the livescan done. I believe they are trying to save the applicant time because it takes so long, but your good cause statement has not been approved by the Sheriff until you receive the conditional approval letter.
Point is if you do the livescan prior to that, you are gambling with a hundred bucks. Also a $200 gamble if you do the training before receiving the conditional approval letter. A good gamble if you feel good about your good cause statement-otherwise you may want to wait. I recd my conditional approval letter within weeks, not months, of my initial interview, so waiting didnt really delay things too much..

Makes sense to me. It's called a conditional letter of approval for a reason right?

[GregsCCW]

Makes sense to me. It's called a conditional letter of approval for a reason right?

Ok now you guys are confusing me with the process and I'd appreciate it if a few more users could confirm this...

Here is what I read above

first is interview
then background starts
your GC is conditionally approved
you finish training and send it in
NOW the LT reviews your background and does final approval
pick up date

Here is what I thought the process was

So first you have the interview
Then you are told to do livescan
3 months goes by and your results are in
Your packet goes to LT for approval of your background and GC and furthers you to training, if you finish training you are approved.
pick up date

When the packet goes to LT, if it is approved, does this mean they are ok with your background AND are forwarding you onto training ? OR does this mean that your background being approved is still pending and not done till after training ?

[Albs]

Ok now you guys are confusing me with the process and I'd appreciate it if a few more users could confirm this...

Here is what I read above

first is interview
then background starts
your GC is conditionally approved
you finish training and send it in
NOW the LT reviews your background and does final approval
pick up date

Here is what I thought the process was

So first you have the interview
Then you are told to do livescan
3 months goes by and your results are in
Your packet goes to LT for approval of your background and GC and furthers you to training, if you finish training you are approved.
pick up date

When the packet goes to LT, if it is approved, does this mean they are ok with your background AND are forwarding you onto training ? OR does this mean that your background being approved is still pending and not done till after training ?

Let's see if I can simplify this for everyone.

1) Your interviewing officer will review your GC, he/she will decide if your GC is strong enough to pass or not, if they do, they will tell you to continue on with your livescan and NOT do your training.

2) After residency check and livescan results months later, if everything is cleared, they will send a conditional approval letter and tell you to proceed with your training

3) After training, you'll send in your cert, and your interviewing officer will pass it down to the LT for the final stamp of approval.

4) After the LT approves you be notified to pick up your card

So to answer your question:

When the packet goes to LT, if it is approved, does this mean they are ok with your background AND are forwarding you onto training ? OR does this mean that your background being approved is still pending and not done till after training ?

It means your background has been approved and your training has been finished.

[Albs]

GUYS - THIS IS NOT WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH ME -- READ MY POSTS AGAIN!! just trying to help!!

interview
residency check
conditional approval letter
THEN
livescan
training

simple!!

Well if they changed it since then, then so be it, but what I wrote was how it was done for quite some time.

[Albs]

ok - not sure what 'quite some time' is -- I got my conditional letter and email I just spoke about 3 months ago.
here's the question -- did you wait 3 months to receive that letter/are you sure they needed your livescan before sending you that letter. if so, they changed the order of things in the past 90 days....

Your livescan was cleared before they send you that letter, some people took the chance of doing their training prior their conditional approval to make the process faster.

I got my approval in April this year, so that's as much as my knowledge dates back to.

If they changed their process, then it'll be a good idea for those who have been approved recently to chime in, so confusion doesn't happen.

[Albs]

here is what I received on Sept 14th...3 months ago....
so I knew my app and good cause statement were approved BEFORE I spent money on livescan and training.

The letter only approved you to continue with your livescan, doesn't say anything about training, am I missing something?

[Albs]

ALBS did you read the letter I just posted? -- I did NOT start my livescan until AFTER I received that letter. that's been my point all morning.
I did not spend money, until AFTER I knew my app cleared the Sheriff...

mine was 90 days ago, yours was back in April, which would make the order of things more current on what just happened to me, not the other way around as you assumed yours was more current in your post.

I don't think I was clear then, my post was regarding how it was done when I did my process. You asked me a question and I replied.

I don't think you're reading what I'm writing carefully or reading your question you're asking me. I never assumed my was more current, I even responded saying if things have changed more people that have been approved to chime in.

here's the question -- did you wait 3 months to receive that letter/are you sure they needed your livescan before sending you that letter. if so, they changed the order of things in the past 90 days....

Your livescan was cleared before they send you that letter, some people took the chance of doing their training prior their conditional approval to make the process faster.

[Albs]

I'm reading yours carefully, before that you wrote something that meant you were assuming your process was since mine...by writing its been this way for 'quite some time'..that means all day long you think yours is current, and mine was before yours. I am reading what you are writing carefully.

you also have not answered my question. when you received that letter in april, do you know as a fact they needed your livescan before sending that out? they did the opposite with me.

also - as I stated in my previous post, my letter was accompanied with a written statement in the body of the email that said....go get your livescan and your training done and you will get your CCW.. MY POINT all along -- the conditional letter meant that my app and good cause statement were approved..........then I went and spent $$. that's all I've been trying to say. Your April letter doesn't 'prove' they needed your livescan before sending you that letter cuz you haven't walked us through the order of things that happened to you, like I have. and mine is more recent....

I don't understand why you're trying to argue with me? I made it clear that if things have changed, it's best to have everyone come together and make it more clear for others. At this point you're just trying to pick a fight with me.

So I'll answer all your questions before I stop this.

I was not clear about what I was approved for in April. I received my card in April and was approved to move on with training in Feb.

How it was processed when I did it was AFTER they have received your livescan results was when they would send you your conditional approval letter to move on with training. So YES, back when I did it they needed your livescan before sending that out.

Your April letter doesn't 'prove' they needed your livescan before sending you that letter cuz you haven't walked us through the order of things that happened to you, like I have. and mine is more recent....

I walked you through the order of things when I tried to "simplify" things for everyone in my prior post.

Let's see if I can simplify this for everyone.

1) Your interviewing officer will review your GC, he/she will decide if your GC is strong enough to pass or not, if they do, they will tell you to continue on with your livescan and NOT do your training.

2) After residency check and livescan results months later, if everything is cleared, they will send a conditional approval letter and tell you to proceed with your training

3) After training, you'll send in your cert, and your interviewing officer will pass it down to the LT for the final stamp of approval.

4) After the LT approves you be notified to pick up your card

So have a good day. I'm done here.

[GregsCCW]

Let's see if I can simplify this for everyone.

1) Your interviewing officer will review your GC, he/she will decide if your GC is strong enough to pass or not, if they do, they will tell you to continue on with your livescan and NOT do your training.

2) After residency check and livescan results months later, if everything is cleared, they will send a conditional approval letter and tell you to proceed with your training

3) After training, you'll send in your cert, and your interviewing officer will pass it down to the LT for the final stamp of approval.

4) After the LT approves you be notified to pick up your card

So to answer your question:



It means your background has been approved and your training has been finished.

Thank you for your reply and also to others who have participated and shared some insight and experiences. Sounds like this gentleman who was approved sorta ahead of time must have somehow been checked out or what not. Here is what happened with me and is why I am concerned lol ...

I received my conditional approval letter today . I did get a call some days ago by my IA that my packet was being sent to the LT, backgrounds were finished. I also called OCSD and confirmed my application had been approved for further processing. On my application I had noted some things on my record from a long time ago that I was concerned about and thought it be an issue, the IA thought it was still very likely going to be fine, and today 3 months and 10 days after the interview I received my conditional approval. So does this mean it's fine and I'm good or does this mean that after I train next week and pay all the $$$ I might send in my cert and still get denied ?

[hamDad]

After reading the previous 21 posts here is my unbiased synthesis of those posts:

1. A "conditional approval" letter will only be sent after your initial interview has taken place, and only if no "red flags" were raised during the initial interview.

2. The "conditional approval" letter can look different for each applicant based on the steps that were taken by the applicant prior to the sending out of the "conditional approval" letter by the OCSD.

3. There are reports of some people who have started their LiveScan and/or completed their CCW Training prior to their initial interview. There are also people that do not start LiveScan and/or do not complete their CCW Training prior to their initial interview.

To reiterate, your "conditional approval" letter will reflect your unique situation as it pertains to your CCW application.

Finally, it appears that there is no problem with starting your LiveScan and/or completing your CCW training prior to receiving your "conditional approval" letter; the only caveat is that you might be out some money if "red flags" are raised during your initial interview that would cause the denial of your CCW application.

[Albs]

wow-was not trying to argue with you or pick a fight. was trying to understand what you were saying and clarify. because to me what you wrote was confusing. like I said all along, I was just trying to help folks. Would hate for people to pay for a livescan and then find out after that that their good cause statement was not approved -- and it appeared that your attempt to 'simplify' is indeed 10 months ago and mine is 3 months ago - so I was just being analytical and trying to get to the bottom of it.

So I'll just make one more point, during the time I applied, self defense was a good enough GC. Everyone applied during that time and OCSD was understaffed. What you're stating is how they were doing before the massive applications, so yes you are correct; you must receive an approval to move on with livescan. When I did mine, to speed up the process, the interviewing officer would tell everyone to just move on with livescan and wait for their conditional approval to move on with training and that was a "verbal agreement" with them, but try arguing with that if anything goes wrong. But if they reverted back to their old ways because there aren't many applicants or they're more staffed this time, then that makes sense.