MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

As of January 1st, before I register or do anything with that, what am I in possession of if I have a BB ar15? The regulations are only for the registration. I don't want to hear about "you would be in possession of a pre 2016 B.B. Assault weapon. As the law states, not the regs for registrations, what am I possession of?

You are in possession of an assault weapon.

[AGGRO]

I love step by step logic trails, its easy for people to follow along.

1- Ca makes AW registration., people register.
2- A court case forces Ca to re-classify AWs by features
3- years later people figure out a way to work around registration using features
4- Ca anti-gun nazi get mad. write new law to reclassify features to include work around devices as AWs
5- Ca DoJ understands that to mean they have another type of AW to register. They write a regulation specific to BB AW registration.
6- If you register under BB-AW registration law, you cant remove the BB because you didnt register it under the original AW registration.

basically we now have a 4 classes of AW in CA starting tomorrow.
1- Cat I = Roberti Roos firearms
2- Cat II = Harrott V. County of Kings named Firearms
3- Cat III = Harrott V. County of Kings by Features SB23
4- Cat IV = SB880 Bullet Button Assault Weapons.
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Roos

And next they will go after featureless. We'll all be standing side by side with different levels of AW just some will be dumber looking then others. What a load this State has become. Has any crime ever been committed with a RAW? I'm sure that's what they are thinking. If only all of them were registered nothing bad will ever happen. Sheesh.

[dieselpower]

So now, if one ever sold a rifle through PPT to someone else since 2000, someone else is going to give the name and address of the private party who they purchased the firearm from?

Yes, I realize the info is in the CA DROS database but so much for privacy and consent of the other party (seller) having their information entered into this new AW database!

I aware in some PPT's where one only received their CA DROS info from the FFL but not the seller's or buyer's info. IE the buyer didn't want the seller having their home address.

If you do not have this info, will DOJ fail to register? My assumption is that the State may have the power to deem the application incomplete.

I have their names, address, Drivers License numbers, and DoB.

yes its a complete over-reach of justice to allow me to give private information to the government about the people who sold me a firearm.

[IVC]

No. If it has a standard mag release, it by definition could not have been lawfully possessed.

That particular configuration - no. That particular rifle - yes.

[jcwatchdog]

Which has the force of law in under nine hours.

No sorry, the doj regulations to stop you from taking off the bullet button after you register it has absolutely nothing behind it.

[AlexDD]

basically we now have a 4 classes of AW in CA starting tomorrow.
1- Cat I = Roberti Roos firearms
2- Cat II = Harrott V. County of Kings named Firearms
3- Cat III = Harrott V. County of Kings by Features SB23
4- Cat IV = SB880 Bullet Button Assault Weapons.
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Roos

It is not rocket science now for the State for next year to pass a law and have the DOJ create a fifth category

5- Cat V - Featureless Assault Weapons

following the exact same model and regulatory scheme

Next year there will be arguments why one can't have a flash hider on their featureless registered assault weapon.

[2Aallday]

That particular configuration - no. That particular rifle - yes.

Obviously you think you're right, but what DOJ is declaring as of yesterday is that you're wrong.

They are not talking about rifles, they are talking about assault weapons with bullet buttons. See time machine reference earlier in this thread.

[dieselpower]

It is not rocket science now for the State for next year to pass a law and have the DOJ create a fifth category

5- Cat V - Featureless Assault Weapons

following the exact same model and regulatory scheme

Next year there will be arguments why one can't have a flash hider on their featureless registered assault weapon.

first off you cant have a feature of a Flash Hider on a featureless rifle.

the next classification is going to be;

5- Featureless Firearms.

there is no reason to open up AW registration to require Featureless Registration

[Bolt_Action]

You are in possession of an assault weapon.

Which is not a crime if it's registered. Period.

[Malthusian]

If you posess and register a 2016 BB AW in 2017 that was legally possessed and configured with a bullet button in 2016, and still configured as a 2016 BB AW at the time of registration in 2017, it is a registered AW. If you then replace the bullet button with a standard magazine release, the registration doesn't magically disappear. It is still a registered assault weapon.

Now, you can argue that you have invalidated the registration, by adding a standard mag release, but this is where we are getting into the meat of the issue.

The question is, does the CADOJ have the authority to disallow changing out the mag lock? Does the DOJ have the authority to create a new class of CA Assault weapon, independent of the law which essentially says that the bullet button is now essentially the same thing as a standard mag release in the eyes of the law, as of 1/1/17? Can the CADOJ invalidate an AW registration? By what process? Does adding a standard mag release invalidate an AW registration? By what statute?

Your making this way too complicated

They confiscate your fire arm

They don't need to even charge you with anything

Or

Let somebody else be the test case

We have a year to figure this out

[AlexDD]

first off you cant have a feature of a Flash Hider on a featureless rifle.

the next classification is going to be;

5- Featureless Firearms.

there is no reason to open up AW registration to require Featureless Registration

I think we are thinking the same thing. I know about flash hiders, my comment was just sarcasm/venting.

[TOM_ONE]

No sorry, the doj regulations to stop you from taking off the bullet button after you register it has absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm sorry, are you of the opinion that you can take off your BB after you register?

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

If you posess and register a 2016 BB AW in 2017 that was legally possessed and configured with a bullet button in 2016, and still configured as a 2016 BB AW at the time of registration in 2017, it is a registered AW. If you then replace the bullet button with a standard magazine release, the registration doesn't magically disappear. It is still a registered assault weapon.

It's an assault weapon, but not the one you lawfully possessed prior to January 1, 2017, and not the one you registered. In a standard mag configuration it could not have been lawfully possessed prior to January 1, 2017. That alone takes you out of PC 30680(b), whatever the status of the "registration" you supposedly have.

[dieselpower]

Which is not a crime if it's registered. Period.

and we go around again.

the regulation to register requires you not change the magazine release.

if you change the magazine release, you have voided the registration.

[ifilef]

Just a head's up that I feel like I am repeating myself and am losing interest in explaining the same thing in dozens of different ways but: you need to bring yourself within the terms of PC 30680 to avoid PC 30605, which prohibits possession of AWs. If you have what is defined as an assault weapon with no BB you cannot say that you lawfully possessed that assault weapon prior to January 1, 2017. PC 30680(b). If you register an assault weapon that was lawfully possessed prior to January 1, 2017, you cannot argue that the registration constitutes/amounts to/is the functional equivalent of registration of a firearm that was required to be registered under prior assault weapon registration laws in effect before January 1, 2017, because DoJ will not register those. PC 30680(c), 11 CCR 5472(b). Yes, you can wave around the registration paperwork and say "haha I have a registered assault weapon" but you are not within PC 30680 because the assault weapon you have was not lawfully possessed prior to January 1, 2017, and you have not registered the assault weapon you now possess.

Concur.