MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[9M62]

So, what's the penalty for violating this rule?

Felony. Most likely possession of an unregistered assault weapons.

For the record, I don't think their reg would withstand a court case in criminal court due to prior case law. That said, I don't - and you don't - want to be the one who finds out.

As a person who saw no downside to registering, now that the DOJ has made it clear their intent -- my recommendation is DO NOT REGISTER ANYTHING.

NOTHING.

Go one of the many legal alternatives and DO NOT REGISTER.

[lrdchivalry]

its plain english

they have created a new class of AW with this reg.

I am not saying its correct, because its clearing over stepping what they were asked to do via regulations, but they did it.

The reg that you quoted does not say anywhere in it that removal of the BB voids the registration.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

We fundamentally disagree.

Ya think? lol.

I think changing one part of a firearm, other than the registered serialized part which IS the firearm according to federal law, does not make it into a firrerent firearm. Perhaps a different configuration.

"B-b-b-b-but federal law says the serialized part IS the firearm!" So what?! We are interpreting the state AW law not federal law lol.

Also, please stop chopping up what I said. Quote the whole thing, or don't quote me at all.

I'll do what I want lol. I chopped up what you said because your questions pertained to invalidating registrations which is something I never said, don't subscribe to, and don't care about. lol.

[Malthusian]

I'm not making it complicated. The mother effing CADOJ is making it complicated.

"They" who? The DOJ? Some random cop? It's a RAW, they will have no PC to confiscate.

No argument here

I totally agree with you

As has been the case with standard capacity magazines, even if they were legally owned, they were confiscated

Removing the bullet button is a violation of the terms of registration

[jcwatchdog]

So, what's the penalty for violating this rule?

No one will answer that, or they will answer with something ridiculous like "possession of an unregistered registered AW". And when they're called out on that ridiculous statement, they will say "the doj will revoke your registration ". When you tell them they can't do that because it isn't in the regulation," they will arrest you for creating a new rifle that is different from the one you registered", of course not considering that the Serial number is the only real thing that will be inputted when a police officer submits the number to check the status. There won't be pictures of your AW that will pop up on the screen.

[shanehatesyou]

So will Radlock's be considered a legitimate BB upon registration? Or will i have to buy an original BB just to comply?
This is garbage...

[9M62]

No one will answer that, or they will answer with something ridiculous like "possession of an unregistered registered AW". And when they're called out on that ridiculous statement, they will say "the doj will revoke your registration ". When you tell them they can't do that because it isn't in the regulation," they will arrest you for creating a new rifle that is different from the one you registered", of course not considering that the Serial number is the only real thing that will be inputted when a police officer submits the number to check the status. There won't be pictures of your AW that will pop up on the screen.

I said all that, but LOL you're actually probably right.

[riderr]

So will Radlock's be considered a legitimate BB upon registration? Or will i have to buy an original BB just to comply?
This is garbage...

Functionally, Radlock is no different than BB. I don't see why it would be considered non-compliant. However, I am surprised, CADOJ didn't require weld or epoxy those to the lower.

[dieselpower]

The reg that you quoted does not say anywhere in it that removal of the BB voids the registration.

removing the BB is prohibited under the regulation.

you are acting under 30900 (b) (1) when you register.
hence, you void your 30900 (b) (1) registration when you do something it clearly says you need to do which is to follow the regulations.

please follow the bouncing ball.

1- 30900 (b) (1) To register your BB firearm you must comply with regulations (which includes 5477)
2- 5477 you are prohibited from removing your BB to register under 30900 (B) (1)

[ifilef]

EVERYTHING in this thread is speculation, correct. HOWEVER, it is far more likely that the DOJ will attempt to void registration vs. incorrectly charge for manufacturing an AW when it is already an AW. They have total control of AW registrations. They do not have total control over the penal code. So, they'll just play the game on their terms.

Or, do you have something in either the regulations or the penal code that specifies what happens to someone who removes a reg'd AW's bullet button? Because nobody else can find anything, hence the speculation.

SACF featured with mag release have been banned since approximately 2000. Shoot today so configured and it's a felony.

In order to register and obtain the 30680 shield, the weapon must have been legal to possess (with a BB, not mag release) prior to 1/1/2017.

Prior registrations of AW- This registration period comports with those in that the weapons had to be lawfully possessed prior to being classified as unlawful AW, for which registration would be the remedy to keep and use them in original configuration. That is why those who were in that class prior to 2000 and to this day who have registered can possess and shoot theirs with mag releases.

But today, there's no way a SACF with mag release was lawfully possessed prior to 1/1/2017 (and/or during the applicable period from 2001 onward) so NOT ELIGIBLE to register as AW. It was and is an unlawful configuration.

So, since mag releases are illegal in these weapons, the only configuration for AW registration purposes is what contained a BB or similar mag-locking device pursuant to the new statutes.

Switching out the BB after registration will nullify the registration because the configuration was unlawful prior to 1/1/2017 and 30680 shield from prosecution will not apply. The registration also becomes null and void.

And it's likely that one can be prosecuted under various statutes even if the registration does NOT become null and void, according, I believe, to FGG.

Even if 30680 were to apply, it does not shield from a manufacturing charge. The protection of 30680 only extends a shield from prosecution for a charge of possession of an AW under 30605.

In the case of a RAW where the possessor goes from BB to mag release, a manufacturing charge might be brought for so doing, in violation of PC 30600. One can't have carte blanche to do whatever they desire with a RAW. One can't switch over to full auto, can they? Neither can they switch out to other unlawful configurations. And its likely the LCM possession ban will be applicable to AWs on 7/1/2017, but that remains to be seen.

One might be able to switch out features but BB and mag release are not features, and the law is very clear that standard mag releases for this period of registration are not lawful and violate 30900(b)(1), 30680, and 30600.

Of course, the regs directly address this issue and forbid changing the release mechanism from a BB (or similar), but I was limiting my comments to the Penal Code and history of AW registrations.

[Shadowdrop]

No one will answer that, or they will answer with something ridiculous like "possession of an unregistered registered AW". And when they're called out on that ridiculous statement, they will say "the doj will revoke your registration ". When you tell them they can't do that because it isn't in the regulation," they will arrest you for creating a new rifle that is different from the one you registered", of course not considering that the Serial number is the only real thing that will be inputted when a police officer submits the number to check the status. There won't be pictures of your AW that will pop up on the screen.

I am an LEO. I agree there is no provision for them to do so, but the CA DOJ does not follow the rules. I've seen it. They do as they please until someone forces them to stop. So, my question to you is, who is going to tell the CA DOJ they cannot revoke registrations as they please?

WE AGREE that they should not and that neither the law nor their regulations allow for such action. You seem to think they'll strictly adhere to their own rules and/or not change them. I think they'll do Kamala's bidding until they are slapped down in court or by the Governor's office (which won't happen).

[9M62]

The state redefines words - in the face of law - all the time. They don't care. The DOJ doesn't either. What's a handgun today is a machine gun tomorrow. What's a fixed magazine today is a deadly assault weapon the next day. What's a man today, might be a man tomorrow, or might not.

The state DOJ does NOT play by the rules. I've had enough.

Count me as another life long Californian who will actively look to leave this state.

A state that spends its time letting criminals out of jail at the same time that they write laws which ONLY Affect law abiding citizens to make them
Become
Criminals.

No thanks. I'm done.

[Bolt_Action]

As a small aside, is there any reason why, starting tomorrow, I can't put one of my preban 30 round mags into one of my BB AR's? Starting tomorrow the BB is not a "fixed" magazine, right?

[9M62]

You can. You just have to promise to tell the DOJ about it before 2018, in the form of registration.

[TOM_ONE]

There is no such provision. People here are just making it up. This would be like the DMV canceling your vehicle registration so they can pull you over while you drive down freeway.

Anyone who thinks they can take off the BB after registration needs to actually read about the law.

It's like passing SMOG but then taking off your CAT on your car. You're not gonna pass smog anymore are you? It's like saying "but I passed the first time with the CAT!"

You feel free to take off the BB after you lied to the DOJ. DOJ approved your BB RAW. Not your standard mag release RAW.