MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Arrieta578]

So if I leave the mag magnet "right" in/on the bullet button this would be OK??? No??

LOL! So, my guess is that if you "leave in" the bullet button so that the BB functions like a standard mag release, then you have a detachable magazine. However, if you use to drop a mag and remove it from the BB and attach it to the dust cover, then you do not have a detachable magazine.

However, when the cops show up and take it off your dust cover and put it in your BB, then you got "issues."

[Malthusian]

Hasn't this been gone over already? I can make 5 lowers into functioning firearms with one upper. It doesn't say that it has to remain in any certain configuration. One could swap the uppers for each rifle for the purposes of registration.

IMHO

NO

Just borrow a couple of uppers, use one twice.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1275814

[Sousuke]

If it were a fixed mag AW it would not be an AW, yes?

Sorry, I don't understand the post at all.

Thats the funny thing about the regs. They say the bullet button is not fixed in F and M is detachable. They are synonymous.

[Whiskey_Tango]

Why are people still talking about registering? With these regs there is absolutely zero carrot, all stick. Am I missing something???

[djhall]

This makes sense... we're all safer with regulations that say a nutcase can't swap out their BB for a standard mag release before engaging in a mass shooting.

[meno377]

What I gather is that registration means registering it as a fixed mag AW. So adding a mag magnet makes it an AW without a fixed mag and thus illegal.

Why would you register a real fixed mag AR? The purpose of registering is for detachable magazines including the original bullet button.

[Whiskey_Tango]

This makes sense... we're all safer with regulations that say a nutcase can't swap out their BB for a standard mag release before engaging in a mass shooting.

Well then we need to ban "mag release rebuild kits" that'll fix that.

[JeepFiend]

Probably going to make a new class of assault weapon, with BB. This will then not let us remove the BB because it will be a registered BB assault weapon. Just my thoughts

Ding, ding, ding...and we have a winner!

[Arrieta578]

I truly believe they want full compliance. The certainly are confident that Californians are so stupid that they will fall into line and go along with the program with little to no resistance. Most people in California are okay as long as they have Starbucks, Weed and the View on TV.

Could you imagine if EVERYONE in California who has an AR tried to register? DOJ would be completely overwhelmed --especially with the stupid pictures... We're talking potentially millions of ARs in this state, right?

[mrvash]

Registered Assault Weapons

Not sure if this has been posted, but I wanted to spread this so that there is no confusion whether you can, or cannot, remove the bullet-button after the registration process. If your bullet-button equipped AR is to be registered with CA DOJ as an assault weapon, the bullet button has to remain even after registration.

See the link for more details and/or updates: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...ions-with-oal/

I hope this clears up any confusion. The answer to this seems to be black and white now.

[calimayno]

Why are people still talking about registering? With these regs there is absolutely zero carrot, all stick. Am I missing something???

Nope, it should all be pretty straight forward. The website is up and there should be zero compliance for registering. Fixed mag or featureless and nothing more to aid them in the end game of confiscation

[swell1957]

Requiring photos and refusing registration of "featureless" rifles does indeed seem to be able to force at least the DOJ examiner to make a determination of whether something is, eg, a pistol grip.

This would be good if a manufacturer wanted a "determination" letter from CA DOJ for a muzzle device, grip wrap, stock, etc... Keep submitting new featureless devices and get rejected by CA DOJ for being featureless! = "the device was declared to be featureless by CA DOJ."

Are they going to analyze the nuances of every single muzzle device installed on a featureless rifle???

[terminal2000]

I love how months ago some of us were telling people not to discuss the possibility of removing BB until it's official because DoJ reads these forums and those guys dismissed it and kept discussing for months how great it'll be removing the BB after registration.

Well this forum has been repeatedly telling people don't register and that government will encourage registration so that they can easily confiscate.

Somehow DOJ didn't listen.

[Scott5182]

So actually...leaving my Rad lock on and unscrewing it is not changing it.
Lawyer word game in play.....

[ifilef]

Way too many assumptions about this.

1. Let's say I register, then take off BB. I get arrested and they try to prosecute me. What statute are they going to prosecute me under and what is the penalty?

2. Let's say I *first* remove BB, then register without BB. They arrest me for BB-less gun, yet I have an explicit exemption for possession of AW during 2017. How are they going to charge me and what is the penalty.

3. Let's say I *try to* register, but they refuse. That's a lawsuit.

1. That's a good one. Would have to think about it.

2. You can't register without the BB. You have to provide digital photos of it. And there is no exemption because firearm without BB NOT eligible for registration as not lawfully possessed prior to 1/1/2017.

3. There's an internal type of 'appeal' process mentioned somewhere in those new regs.