Haley has ND while demoing old school AK techniques...

[Caseless]

I like his Magpul Dynamic class videos. Hopefully he doesn't lose his creds big time like Sonny Puzikas.

[NapalmCheese]

I like his Magpul Dynamic class videos. Hopefully he doesn't lose his creds big time like Sonny Puzikas.

Why would he? He was explaining (and inadvertently demonstrated) why that particular technique is no good. He could have gone for the "See, if I just had an ND and I'm a freaking super delta seal sniperator just think of what would happen if mere plebes such as yourselves were to carry a rifle this way!" but instead apparently decided to try to sweep it under the rug. I didn't give two hoots about him before, and I still don't; but if I did I don't think this would change my opinion of him.

[elSquid]

At least TEX took one for the team and posted his ND....

"...and then my training kicked in, so I called my parents."

Sorry. But it still makes me chuckle.

-- Michael

[MarikinaMan]

well, I only served 20 years in the .mil
served many roles from line coach to small arms marksmanship instructor to RSO/OIC
carried / manned several weapons systems in two theaters and garrison
retired as my NCW unit's armory supervisor with inventory including mk19's to m9's..

not to mention my personal collection including an m82a1 I've owned for over 10 years..

nope, never heard of him..

wish I had enough firearms experience to realize his greatness

Lol. Too many kneel before the altar of fame and fandom. Your outlook is refreshing.

[dwalker]

Don't you know that your real life exsperiance of actually doing the things that high speed gun gamers and training groupies pretend to do means absolutely nothing.
You have to know who all these guys with cool sounding training schools are and attend all their courses to really be a high speed pretend war fighter and gunman. Your out of the lope man, do you even know the name of any ex-operators.

I normally dont really GAF, and while I really only barely know Travis (friend of friend sort of thing, meet in passing, yada yada) its not really cool to disrespect a man who has done a lot to earn the respect of those around him. Sure, he had n ND, and yes, he could have handled it better. That doesnt take away from anything he has done in life.

Someone posted this earlier, but maybe you missed it

[Merc1138]

How do you know there were not crew members in the direction he was pointing. (not just the Camera guy in front of him, but others off to the right)
If he inserted a loaded a mag and displayed that lack of trigger discipline, then you guys are welcomed to take his "Instructional Class"

Simple, because I don't assume everyone is a freakin' retard.

If there was a camera guy in that direction, considering there are three angles in the video, why isn't there an angle from that direction? Even if there had been a camera man and they decided to omit footage from that camera, what would they have been filming? His back? That makes no sense. Just because I cannot see the direction that the rifle was pointing, does not make it an unsafe direction. You must be one of those special guys who goes nuts in the youtube comments when someone doesn't bother with their "SAFETY CHECK!" for the first 15 seconds of a video, afterall unless you saw the footage it had to be unsafe, right? Don't complain about what I'm posting, it's your nonsense logic.

BTW, it would also seem you don't understand "why" the rules of firearm safety are what they are. If you did, then you would understand the intended redundancy and just how badly you have to break them to actually have a serious problem.

I'm not "defending" the ND, I'm pointing out that you're jumping(more like pole vaulting)to conclusions.

[calif 15-22]

Simple, because I don't assume everyone is a freakin' retard.

If there was a camera guy in that direction, considering there are three angles in the video, why isn't there an angle from that direction? Even if there had been a camera man and they decided to omit footage from that camera, what would they have been filming? His back? That makes no sense. Just because I cannot see the direction that the rifle was pointing, does not make it an unsafe direction. You must be one of those special guys who goes nuts in the youtube comments when someone doesn't bother with their "SAFETY CHECK!" for the first 15 seconds of a video, afterall unless you saw the footage it had to be unsafe, right? Don't complain about what I'm posting, it's your nonsense logic.

BTW, it would also seem you don't understand "why" the rules of firearm safety are what they are. If you did, then you would understand the intended redundancy and just how badly you have to break them to actually have a serious problem.

I'm not "defending" the ND, I'm pointing out that you're jumping(more like pole vaulting)to conclusions.

Thank you for your kind words. I would like to remind you I NEVER said "Camera man". Go ahead go back and re-read my posts.

I said "Crew" as in support crew, maybe lighting guys, mics, gear guys, or guys just standing there, etc. Again NOT Camera Man.

Ther could have been people off camera in that direction. I don't know if that is the case, just saying there could be.

I re-watched that video again, and I stand by my opinion. Anyone handling a loaded firearm with that much finger interaction with the trigger, flipping that rifle from sided to side, to me is unsafe. I dont care how mamy tours or how long his Operator Beard is.

[dwalker]

I re-watched that video again, and I stand by my opinion. Anyone handling a loaded firearm with that much finger interaction with the trigger, flipping that rifle from sided to side, to me is unsafe. I dont give a rat arse how mamy tours or how long his Operator Beard is.

That was actually the entire point of the video, because- believe it or not- many combloc fighters were trained (by "instructors") to fingerbang the trigger exactly as he was showing. His entire point was that he dis-agrees iwth it and was explaining the why behind it. Had he just gathered himself up and said, yeap and thats why we dont do it that way, then no problem. However he for whatever reason handled the situation poorly.

[calif 15-22]

That was actually the entire point of the video, because- believe it or not- many combloc fighters were trained (by "instructors") to fingerbang the trigger exactly as he was showing. His entire point was that he dis-agrees iwth it and was explaining the why behind it. Had he just gathered himself up and said, yeap and thats why we dont do it that way, then no problem. However he for whatever reason handled the situation poorly.

But why the live loaded chamber round then? I get that the video was to show that but why have a live round chambered? Video would be the same without a live round. Maybe I'm just missing the point though.

I think at his level he may believe that could not happen to me. Just seemed odd to me that someone woth that much "experience" would make a video like that with live rounds chambered.

[Merc1138]

Dude your fan boyism is clouding your reading skills. I NEVER said "Camera man". Go ahead go back and re-read my posts.

I said "Crew" as in support crew, lighting guys, mics, vans, guys just standing there, etc. Again NOT Camera Man.

Ther could have been people off camera in that direction. I don't know if that is the case, just saying there could be.

I re-watched that video again, and I stand by my opinion. Anyone handling a loaded firearm with that much finger interaction with the trigger, flipping that rifle from sided to side, to me is unsafe. I dont give a rat arse how mamy tours or how long his Operator Beard is.

How am I a fanboy? It's like you're butthurt over something, I just can't tell what. Why in the world would a guy with a mic be over there? Even if they had a mic, it doesn't need to be held by a person. Lighting? LOL. A van? You can see in the other camera shots that the only thing over in that direction appears to be a berm and some targets so why in the world would they park a van there?

Again, your logic relies on everyone involved to be a complete moron. Yet because I'm saying that odds are at least one person at the scene could count past potato, I'm a fanboy? I never said a damn thing in this thread about Haley's reputation, past, career, or anything. Why do you care so much about the guy that you'll bring something irrelevant to your argument? Sure, I stated that I thought the guy wasn't a complete retard, but that doesn't mean I'm some "fan" of his tactical-ness(yes, I know that's not even a word).

The funniest part about this, is you called me a fanboy. Let's see what a google search shows for my post history about Travis Haley.

Bingo.

The amount of garbage verbiage in his videos is just insane, but people buy into it and he wants people buying his new stuff. Here's an example of his newer stuff, the sheer volume of buzzwords and crap in just the first 5 minutes is staggering:

pfft.

Don't listen to this Travis Haley guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Travis Haley on the other hand knows the modern synergies of the dynamic climate in todays battlescape for centering your chi with that of the environment to adaptivate threat assessments.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1009844

Hell no.

Of course they're getting to charge $3k because Travis Haley is attached to it.

That's the joke. You saw the other thread where Haley said not to buy the magpul videos because they're too old, as if the stuff in the videos is somehow stale. Haley is no longer affiliated with magpul and wants to sell his new "up to date" videos, new and improved with 300% more high speed low drag lingo(that he just makes up as he goes along) instead of simply providing instruction in plain English.

Ok, I also tried watching the video and lasted till 2:40 when I eventually just had to turn it off since he was just making up phrases to vomit into the camera.

I'm not gonna challenge his shooting ability, but jesus... it's like a cut scene from MGS4.

Oh yeah, I'm such a Travis Haley fan

[desertjosh]

Well, at least no one is saying to use a trigger activated sniper weapon light. Yes, it's a thing and 2016 wasn't the first time they were at SHOT show.

Wow, how did he get funding for that crap? When do "high end snipers" use lights? So much wrong in that video

[dwalker]

But why the live loaded chamber round then? I get that the video was to show that but why have a live round chambered? Video would be the same without a live round. Maybe I'm just missing the point though.

I think at his level he may believe that could not happen to me. Just seemed odd to me that someone woth that much "experience" would make a video like that with live rounds chambered.

I have no idea why he had a loaded chamber. Perhaps he meant to show how easy it would be to have an ND later in the segment, I have no idea.I do know that he was specifically speaking against the "training" that teaches to carry the AK with loaded chamber/safety off and rely on those grip disciplines to prevent AD's.
Perhaps he was going for authenticity? No idea.

[calif 15-22]

Fanboy was uncalled for so I edited it out but not quick enough. For that I appologize. It was the wrong choice of words on my part which is why I edited my response.

[stormvet]

I normally dont really GAF, and while I really only barely know Travis (friend of friend sort of thing, meet in passing, yada yada) its not really cool to disrespect a man who has done a lot to earn the respect of those around him. Sure, he had n ND, and yes, he could have handled it better. That doesnt take away from anything he has done in life.

Someone posted this earlier, but maybe you missed it

How do you get I'm disrespecting Haley out of my post, I respect what he's done in real life. Hell I don't even care about his ND, it can happen.
My point was just because someone doesn't know who he is, doesn't mean they don't know what their talking about and thier real life exsperiance is actually much more valuable then someone who only takes training courses and plays gun games.

And yes I know who he is and what he's done, in the military and out.

[dwalker]

How do you get I'm disrespecting Haley out of my post, I respect what he's done in real life. Hell I don't even care about his ND, it can happen.
My point was just because someone doesn't know who he is, doesn't mean they don't know what their talking about and thier real life exsperiance is actually much more valuable then someone who only takes training courses and plays gun games.

And yes I know who he is and what he's done, in the military and out.

I could have mis-interpreted your post, it happens.