Mojave Lever Crew - Roll Call!

[LindenBruce]

Okay, good to know that has not changed in regards to black powder arms. B.

[GeeBee49]

GeeBee49

Is American Gun Works in Glendale to far to go to peruse their inventory?
You might give them a call and tell them what you are looking for and they might have something that's close enough.

https://americangunworks.net/

I ran in to Apples over there in late August and we managed to enjoyably kill some time looking at a few of guns.

Thanks for the link. It is a bit of a distance but these days I don't cross anything off my list. Martin Retting in Culver City is probably just as far away and I plan on going there sometime soon.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Today in response to the ongoing "Rust" blame game and posturing by Hollywood my wife asked me to show her the difference between a "Live Round" and a "Blank." I didn't have any .44 cal. blanks so I just showed her an empty case with the dead primer, and a live round with a jacketed HP. She saw teh difference and stated why is this so hard?

My wife has very little firearms experience and less than zero interest in it, assuming that I, the well armed Husband will take care of any home defense situations that arise. never the less I have tried for 30+ years to educate her on safe handling of guns in general when she was of a mind to listen. Today was that day!

I then got out my Ruger SBH which is similar enough to the SAA that Baldwin used to prove the point, and showed her how to load and check the condition of the gun. I put a empty case in the cylinder and closed the loading gate and she immediately saw the brass in between the cylinder and back plate and said is that all there is to it? I said no you have to open the loading gate and spin the cylinder. to make sure there are no rounds in the chambers.

My wife now knows how to check a SA Revolver to see if it is loaded at a glance, and knows the difference between a live round and an empty cartridge.

This took @3 minutes to teach someone who knows little to nothing about guns how to check one for condition.

What pisses me off to no end is listening to people on TV who supposedly have firearms experience pontificate on whos responsibility it was for that shooting.

Long and short of it is that he (Baldwin) violated Rule #1, #2 and #4 right out of the gate, by not checking the gun himself. He pulled the trigger, and he is responsible for every round he sends down range. Period! case closed.

Now there is Speculation on how a live round got into the gun? It could have been sabotage? Well if he'd checked the gun that would have been caught. it was supposed to be a "Dress Rehearsal?" The gun should have been empty which he could have checked by simply glancing at the gun and seeing if there was brass in the cylinder. If he saw brass he should have given the gun back to that Armorer to unload, or he could have done it himself and fired the Assistant Director or whatever he was for calling a "Cold Gun" that wasn't. Point being nobody had to die.

Now they want to ban "real guns" from movie sets and use Rubber Guns??? Further perpetuating gun ignorance in Hollywood. You think that would have happened to John Wick? He actually trained with live ammo and you can see it on Youtube!

I remember playing at a friends house when I was 7 years old and finding a Stevens Single Shot .22 rifle under the couch. The first thing I did was put the hammer on half cock and open the rolling block to see if it was loaded. The kid that lived there didn't know how to do it but my Uncle had shown me on a similar gun. We then proceeded to find a box of .22 shorts and go out into the back yard and shoot at cans. This was in the middle of Midtown Ventura in 1957, right down Catalina St. from Ventura High School and nobody cared and nobody got hurt.

Now they'd put us in reform school and keep us on lithium!!!

I feel better now.

Randy

[200Apples]

Hopefully you had a chance to talk with Willie Clark, the gunsmith.

We did not, unfortunately, but I did spend quite awhile with a very interesting, very knowledgeable SASS shooter who was working behind the counter. Mark? was it? SASS Champ, in fact. Then we met Jeff, the owner.

I suffer from a worsening bout of CRS so if I got the names wrong, forgive me.

[200Apples]

WRB

My wife has very little fsrearm less than zero interest in it assuming that I the well

We're gonna need you to translate this one.

[Dvrjon]

I suffer from a worsening bout of CRS so if I got the names wrong, forgive me.

[200Apples]

As long as you remember you forgot, you’re OK.

lmao

Roger that!

[Killer Bee]

the older I get, the better I feel forgetting some things

[Kerplow]

Thanks for the link. It is a bit of a distance but these days I don't cross anything off my list. Martin Retting in Culver City is probably just as far away and I plan on going there sometime soon.

I would love to visit both those stores but the thought of driving to west LA or Glendale is enough to make a man quit lever guns!

Definitely a Saturday trip.

[GeeBee49]

I would love to visit both those stores but the thought of driving to west LA or Glendale is enough to make a man quit lever guns!

Definitely a Saturday trip.

Traffic is bad on the west side so I was thinking midday during the week. But, last night I visited Redding's website and it says they are appointment only right now. Also, there were quite a few more negative reviews than positive reviews so I'm having second thoughts about Redding.
I am still interested in a trip to American Gun Works because what I've read here sounds good.

[Kerplow]

Traffic is bad on the west side so I was thinking midday during the week. But, last night I visited Redding's website and it says they are appointment only right now. Also, there were quite a few more negative reviews than positive reviews so I'm having second thoughts about Redding.
I am still interested in a trip to American Gun Works because what I've read here sounds good.

I feel like any day can be a bad day to drive to west LA, and appointment only is lame. Might as well just call them and see if they have what you want and then make an appointment.

[GeeBee49]

I feel like any day can be a bad day to drive to west LA, and appointment only is lame. Might as well just call them and see if they have what you want and then make an appointment.

I haven't been to that part of town since I retired in 2006. I'm closer than you are and I still don't want to make the drive.
I think my best bet for now is to find an FFL near me and order online. GunBroker had a few NIB lever actions that had a "Buy Now" price that was okay with me. I haven't even searched their SA revolvers yet and I can always monitor Taylor's and Uberti's websites for six shooters on my want list.

[Kerplow]

I haven't been to that part of town since I retired in 2006. I'm closer than you are and I still don't want to make the drive.
I think my best bet for now is to find an FFL near me and order online. GunBroker had a few NIB lever actions that had a "Buy Now" price that was okay with me. I haven't even searched their SA revolvers yet and I can always monitor Taylor's and Uberti's websites for six shooters on my want list.

Im in Ontario these days but I don’t think that it’s any better drive to Culver than Huntington was. Maybe better to Glendale, but the 10, 210 & 60 are all hellish highways.


I got a notice for this one available at Riflegear. Looks like they still have a couple.

https://www.riflegear.com/p-13398-uberti-1873-cattleman-el-patron-357-mag-475-single-action-revolver.aspx

[GeeBee49]

I got a notice for this one available at Riflegear. Looks like they still have a couple.

https://www.riflegear.com/p-13398-ub...-revolver.aspx

That's a good price on the Cattleman El Patron. It's basically the same gun as the Smoke Wagon in .357 magnum with the same barrel length and checkered Navy grips.

[ar15barrels]

Now there is Speculation on how a live round got into the gun? It could have been sabotage? Well if he'd checked the gun that would have been caught. it was supposed to be a "Dress Rehearsal?" The gun should have been empty which he could have checked by simply glancing at the gun and seeing if there was brass in the cylinder. If he saw brass he should have given the gun back to that Armorer to unload, or he could have done it himself and fired the Assistant Director or whatever he was for calling a "Cold Gun" that wasn't. Point being nobody had to die.

There is also some speculation that the armorer was not working that day.
This is supported by the armorer NOT being on the call-sheet for the day.
The call-sheet is prepared by the 1st AD the evening prior to every filming day and is distributed to all the cast/crew that are expected to be on the set the following day.

So if the armorer was not indeed working, there should not have been ANY firearms being handled other than rubber guns.
The #1 job of the armorer is to control all the firearms and make sure they are being used safely.

My guess is that the 1st AD asked the prop department for the guns and there was no armorer to check them so the 1st AD assumed they were unloaded and simply called them "cold" because that's what the armorer had always done.
The 1st AD obviously does not know how to do the armorer's job, even though he thought he did and that's why they were shooting without the armorer that day...

As for how live rounds got into the gun, it has been well documented that some crew members had been using the gun to plink earlier in the day.
I take this as even MORE evidence that the armorer was probably not working that day as the armorer would not ever have let that happen.