G19 - STUCK

[Brian45acp]

Trailer trash:

The gun will run from start to finish on a full mag. The gun can not chamber a mag which has 1 round in it. I understand the probability of ever needing to load a mag with 1 round in it is miniscule but none the less its concerning. More importantly the test indicates to me the feeding is not smooth and the round is hitting the feed ramp very hard before having no where else to go but in the chamber. This doesnt mean there isnt a problem when it doesnt FTF under normal shooting or when the slide is sling shot vs using the slide stop. It simply means the round is being forced in the chamber.

I use JHP for my reloads which have a very conservative nose much like a FMJ. Those feed better then my HST and Gold Dots but all still FTF.

The real test is to use calipers to measure the last JHP in the mag and let it chamber. Take it out and measure again. The set back indicates just how hard its hitting that feed ramp.

[PoorMan]

Congratz! To confirm, did you sand the magazine or the follower?

Thanks!

Happy shooting and be safe!

Thanks. It's nice to have it sorted out. I sanded the magazines.

[lplover]

I sanded the followers and that works too

[tylenol9999]

I used a utility knife to cut the 1mm or so from the magazine took about 5 seconds per magazine and it functions flawlessly so far with the 9mm6 followers. Thanks for pointing out the solution to this issue.

I loaded and hand cycled 10 rounds in each magazine noting each rounds overall length before and after hand cycling. The bullet set back was a maximum of .001 inches usually no setback with the Speer Gold Dot +P 124gn.

[tylenol9999]

Went to the range to test out the 9mm6 followers. Fired 70 of the Speer Gold Dots +P and about 280 of round nose. Zero issues.

[himurax13]

I have been through this and gave up on the g19.

Here is what I found that works most reliably. If you take the g17 springs and use them in the g19 mag it will work with the 2183 follower. If you look at a g17 mag spring vs the g19 spring the last coil that sits on the base plate is reversed. I believe the g17 coil being reversed applies more pressure to the nose of the follower and prevents the nose dive issue.

The 9mm3 followers wont work. If you apply pressure to any of the rounds in the mag they stay tipped down and will all nose dive vs just the last one on the 2183 follower. The 9mm6 follower seems to work but certainly looks out of place and very awkward in the mag so I dont trust it.

Esentially I sold my g19 to a buddy old enough to have the pre ban mags and bought a CZ P-01. I kept my g17 because its fine and the g17 mags or g17 guts in a g19 mag will work in the g19.

I called glock and they wont own up to the issue. The response was the slide stop is not there as a slide release that glocks are meant to be sling shot from slide lock. I explained all that is doing is forcing my JHP into the chamber but not before the nose gets beat to death on the feed ramp which is causing set back issues as well. After just a few chamberings the round is so beat up its dangerous to use.

Glock really screwed the 10 round mags up. Nothing more then a block in the bottom of the mag was needed. Instead they add ribs inside which vary in size depending on the mag tube because longer tubes will require thicker ribs and then this means more narrow mag springs. When that screwed up the feeding they started screwing around with the followers and feed lips and it is all down hill from there.

Either way I am done with glock and it sucks because I consider it the best platform. I just cant deal with a company like that any more especially when they wont own up to the problem.

Awesome info. I might give this a whirl.

[Carcassonne]

I have been through this and gave up on the g19.


Glock really screwed the 10 round mags up. Nothing more then a block in the bottom of the mag was needed. Instead they add ribs inside which vary in size depending on the mag tube because longer tubes will require thicker ribs and then this means more narrow mag springs. When that screwed up the feeding they started screwing around with the followers and feed lips and it is all down hill from there.

Either way I am done with glock and it sucks because I consider it the best platform. I just cant deal with a company like that any more especially when they wont own up to the problem.

Glock's 10 round magazines for the G21 work fine. I know they aren't the same as the G19 magazines.

Glock couldn't just put a block in the higher capacity magazines to make the 10 rounders. If they did, and if someone removed the block and committed a mass shooting, Glock would have a harder time defending themselves against a frivolous lawsuit that would inevitably follow: Just like Bushmaster and Sandy Hook. It is all about lawyers and lawsuits.




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[steelheadmike]

I had sporadic issues with the 2183 followers, mainly they wouldn't feed when used the slide release to go into battery. Put in a 9mm6 and trimmed the feed lips, so far works great. I haven't done it to all my mags yet but at least the ones I'm using for SD.

[himurax13]

Glock's 10 round magazines for the G21 work fine. I know they aren't the same as the G19 magazines.

Glock couldn't just put a block in the higher capacity magazines to make the 10 rounders. If they did, and if someone removed the block and committed a mass shooting, Glock would have a harder time defending themselves against a frivolous lawsuit that would inevitably follow: Just like Bushmaster and Sandy Hook. It is all about lawyers and lawsuits.




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The Glock 10 rounders that I got for my 41 (which should be the same as the ones for the 21) really sucked ***. The 10th round looks as though it is ready to burst free from the feed lips. The spring tension is so high that you need an uplula after the 6th round and I doubt I can get the magazine to seat with a round in the chamber. Hopefully they will break in soon, but damn, I would hate to have to use them out of the box. Luckily I have not had any issues once they were seated in the gun.

[sd_shooter]

So just on this page I've seen mention of three different followers:
- 2183
- 9mm3
- 9mm6

What's the best one?

[tylenol9999]

So just on this page I've seen mention of three different followers:

- 2183

- 9mm3

- 9mm6



What's the best one?

Mine came with 2183, this has issues if you insert a magazine with a single round, it will not chamber.
9mm3, got it from Glock as a replacement, this one has issues with rounds 6-4 in the magazine, as well as bullet setback.
9mm6, is not compatible with the 10 round Glock 19 magazines. You have to cut a small sliver ~1mm from your magazine for it to work. This follower has zero issues.

Please note that these issues are specifically with Speer Gold Dot rounds. I have not had any issues with the other followers with round nose ammo.

[tacticalcity]

Thanks TPT for the exhaustive testing... As diese mentioned, it's mainly FTF'ing with large cavity HP's... With me switching to Critical Defense from the Gold Dots eleviated the FTF problem too

BUT...

I wouldn't have noticed this until I test fired the Gold Dots. Which for some isn't cost effective and they wouldn't have found the issue either until they fired their G19 or stumbled upon this thread or one like it... My local firearm store wasn't even aware of this issue until I brought it up with them. Since then they have been dumbfounded and helped from ordering new followers -to- filing any spurs in the magazine case...




:crazy:

It is great that you got it solved. But it sounds like you're saying you were not test firing your HD ammo and just gonna trust it? If so that is a bad idea. All guns will end up hating some ammo. It's just a fact of life. So you can't trust your life to un-tested and unproven ammo. You've got to test it out and make sure your gun likes it before depending on it for HD. Yes, the stuff is expensive...but how much is your life worth? Do you really want to risk finding out the hard way the expensive ammo in your gun turns it into a jam-o-matic?

To make matters worse, ammo manufacturers will change up their process/machines/materials over time. So ammo that was reliable two years ago when you bought a couple years supply in bulk might actually be totally different today despite having the same name. So you can't just assume that once you burn through your 2 year old supply that worked wonderfully that the same brand/make produced today is still gonna work flawlessly. You've gotta test it out before just trusting your life with it.

I've experienced ammo related issues in a wide variety of guns with a wide variety of well respected brands/makes of ammo. Ya just never know until ya run a box or two through the gun.

Once you find something reliable, if you can buy a bunch from the same LOT, then do so. But of course that luxury is not always available.

That said, I haven't had too many issues with my Glock. But I have experienced this a lot with other handguns and rifles. In one case, I had one AR that hatted a particular brand of ammo while my other AR ran it just fine. Once I switched to a different brand/make of ammo the problem was solved. So it is not always that the ammo is bad, or particular make of gun doesn't like that ammo. It could be your specific gun doesn't like that specific batch of ammo.

If you haven't run into this yet, you've been lucky. Keep shooting. It'll happen.

[xxx187xxx]

so what followers are you supposed to use? if not the 2183's

[tylenol9999]

so what followers are you supposed to use? if not the 2183's

9mm6 follower, the magazine modification is literally 5 seconds. It is very easy to determine what part of the magazine needs to be shaved off. You put the follower on the magazine spring and insert it into the magazine, you will immediately see which part of the magazine is blocking the follower. You need to shave the magazine to allow the follower to travel up ever so slightly.

[sunrisefordrene]

IDK if anyone mentioned this, but I polish the feedramps on all of my carry guns..Don't want that to happen if SHTF..