Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[tonyt22]

cz p-09

I'm looking for a cz p-09 I know scorpion arms has some ..I want one for my academy training just wondering if it would be legal to use a sse gun or do you think they would say anything

[BEE]

Has anyone heard of a "SSE Letter"??

I recently purchased a handgun from The Kentucky Gun Company AKA Kygunco and the handgun may need to be SSE'd. However, Kygunco is asking for a "SSE Letter" from the receiving FFL before they can ship the handgun. From what Kygunco is saying, the "SSE Letter" is just a letter that basically states that the receiving FFL is able to perform the SSE.

Now this is the first time I've experienced this with Kygunco. All of my past experiences Kygunco only asked for a FFL License and/or High Cap Permit until recently.

[morrcarr67]

Has anyone heard of a "SSE Letter"??

I recently purchased a handgun from The Kentucky Gun Company AKA Kygunco and the handgun may need to be SSE'd. However, Kygunco is asking for a "SSE Letter" from the receiving FFL before they can ship the handgun. From what Kygunco is saying, the "SSE Letter" is just a letter that basically states that the receiving FFL is able to perform the SSE.

Now this is the first time I've experienced this with Kygunco. All of my past experiences Kygunco only asked for a FFL License and/or High Cap Permit until recently.

Never heard of it.

Their FFL their rules.

Sounds easy enough though. If the gun needs SSE and your dealer is going to do the SSE just ask him to write a 2-3 line note saying that they are going to do the SSE and have him send it with his FFL.

[LBDamned]

Has anyone heard of a "SSE Letter"??

I recently purchased a handgun from The Kentucky Gun Company AKA Kygunco and the handgun may need to be SSE'd. However, Kygunco is asking for a "SSE Letter" from the receiving FFL before they can ship the handgun. From what Kygunco is saying, the "SSE Letter" is just a letter that basically states that the receiving FFL is able to perform the SSE.

Now this is the first time I've experienced this with Kygunco. All of my past experiences Kygunco only asked for a FFL License and/or High Cap Permit until recently.

Yes - I got my P938 from PSA that way (quite a whole back - apparently they don't send off roster any longer)...

My FFL simply stated he's an 07 and will make the weapon CA compliant.... That's all they needed.

[advocatusdiaboli]

Just saying the DOJ is going through all this trouble to keep me from purchasing "unsafe firearms", and I am going through all this trouble to circumvent their legislation... Even if, technically, it is not illegal, it seems very grey, so just wondering if anyone has been caught in this legal no-man's-land, that's all.

I bought on Roster guns that are now off-roster. Do you think a judge would accept the argument that they were safe for years and them suddenly became unsafe to use due to an administrative change but no change in safety laws while they can still be used safely by LEOs, people from other states, people buying them from an LEO, people moving here with them, people with dual state residency, etc.? there fore the only reason it is unsafe has nothing to do with the Roster or the pistol, but my status! The judge would burst out laughing.

[buster1960]

I bought on Roster guns that are now off-roster. Do you think a judge would accept the argument that they were safe for years and them suddenly became unsafe to use due to an administrative change but no change in safety laws while they can still be used safely by LEOs, people from other states, people buying them from an LEO, people moving here with them, people with dual state residency, etc.? there fore the only reason it is unsafe has nothing to do with the Roster or the pistol, but my status! The judge would burst out laughing.

Don't count on it!!!!!

[advocatusdiaboli]

Don't count on it!!!!!

They aren't illegal. The Roster prohibits most people from buying them but doesn't declare previously Roster-approved non-Roster guns bought legally when on the Roster as unsafe or illegal for previous legal purchasers. In addition, SSE-exemption pistols are not illegal nor unsafe until they close that gap in the regulations either.

Further consider the illogic in declaring that a pistol safe in Nevada suddenly becomes unsafe crossing the border. The Roster doesn't even try that, The safety issue is just an excuse and everyone knows it. The Roster just makes it illegal to purchase non-Roster unless you are exempt. The guns themselves are not illegal to possess evidenced by the exemptions for some people to own the legally. Just like high cap mags are not illegal to posses at all: just illegal to purchase, import, or manufacture unless you are exempt. IF you had them before the ban, you can possess them legally (except in Sunnyvale temporarily).

Therefore my pistols are all legal. I am not worried and I shouldn't be either. No one has ever bought such a case and it would fail quickly.

[ChrisTKHarris]

MTG Firearms in Elk Grove will do SSE pistols. They will accept anything that comes with a kit, but the only ones they're doing in house are the M&P Shield and Glocks from what I remember in our conversation.

[Barang]

Is SSE going away this year?

[advocatusdiaboli]

Is SSE going away this year?

There is a bill in the legislature that will "clarify" the SSE so that no semi-auto pistols can qualify. Brown vetoed it last year but indicated he's have signed the SSE part by it self (he vetoed it for another reason and it was a package bill). So this year they are isolating the SSE part and it will certainly pass and he'll likely sign it. RIP SSE: 1 Jan 2015.

[Barang]

There is a bill in the legislature that will "clarify" the SSE so that no semi-auto pistols can qualify. Brown vetoed it last year but indicated he's have signed the SSE part by isefl (he vetoed it for another reason and it was a package bill). So this year they are isolating the SSE part and it will certainly pass and he'll likely sign it. RIP SSE: 1 Jan 2015.

Thanks for the info. Ghee Whiz! I thought that it's safe but .... Sigh! what a state we live in.

[cruising7388]

- This conversion MUST be done by an 07 FFL, or can be done by a private party (unlikely for them to have the parts) prior to shipping.
*update* An 07 FFL is now no longer required for this process as long as it is a basic conversion and not building up a gun from a frame. If you can find an 01 FFL with the knowledge/willingness to do these conversions, you can. I will continue to update the list of shops who will perform this service.

Thanks for the exceptional post. Can you clarify how this change came about that permits an 01 FFL to do this? Would it also include things like stock extensions and bullet buttons?

[kemasa]

How it came about? Well, internal clarification of what things mean by the BATF.

If you start with a fully functioning firearm and only replace parts, with no milling/machining, then it is not considered manufacturing.

[bigbob76]

"An 07 FFL is now no longer required for this process as long as it is a basic conversion and not building up a gun from a frame."

I've been following this thread but haven't read every post. What makes it necessary to be a 07 FFL to build a pistol up from a frame?

[kemasa]

Federal law, unless you buy the frame, then you can do it for your self without being a 07 FFL.