Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[f4lens]

Someone offers me this channel for off-roster handgun.
he ships the frame to an FFL and rest to me.
After the frame is registered and 10 days later,
I pick up the frame and put the whole piece together.
I was told it is legal to own/use the handgun even PPT later.
Is it true? If so, is this practice still available after Brown signs the law and SSE RIP?

[kemasa]

A frame for a handgun can't be transferred unless the person is exempt (ie. LEO) as it is not on the certified list and you can't do the HSC safety demo.

[norcalcyclist]

The issue appears to be the roster...a CCW eliminates the HSC requirements for a demo.

[f4lens]

So owning and using the handgun by using this process is legal, right?
Since I am not an FFL nor LEO, PPT the whole handgun to a
non-FFL/LEO is not legal.

A frame for a handgun can't be transferred unless the person is exempt (ie. LEO) as it is not on the certified list and you can't do the HSC safety demo.

[kemasa]

The only limitation is whether a FFL can transfer the firearm, not whether it is legal to own the handgun.

You could move into CA with it, get by means of an out of state intrafamilial transfer, be a dual resident, etc. and legally have it in CA. The means in which you get it just has to be legal and once you have a firearm, you can modify it (some limits in the law, such as no so-called a-salt weapons).

[jjdurso]

I have barrels for for the following I'm willing to rent/sell:

CZ (75 series)
EAA/IFG/Tanfoglio (small and large frame)
Baby Eagle
Jericho 941
TriStar/Canik
Sphinx

[advocatusdiaboli]

So owning and using the handgun by using this process is legal, right?
Since I am not an FFL nor LEO, PPT the whole handgun to a
non-FFL/LEO is not legal.

[kemasa]

Once it is a used firearm, The Roster no longer applies.

Incorrect. It makes absolutely no difference as to whether the handgun is new or used, it only depends on how it is being transferred. There are many exemptions, such as a PPT or an intrafamilial transfer, but a handgun which is not exempt (single action of a certain size, single action of a certain size, etc.) can not be transferred through a FFL unless the purchaser is exempt (ie. LEO).

Even if you are personally selling a firearm, if you ship the firearm to a FFL, it would not be able to be transferred. You would have to do it as a PPT, where both the buyer and seller go to the same FFL.

Also, any changes (except night sights) to the firearm will make it no longer on the list, including engraving, change of color, grips, etc. as stupid as that it, it is what it is.

[advocatusdiaboli]

Incorrect. It makes absolutely no difference as to whether the handgun is new or used, it only depends on how it is being transferred. There are many exemptions, such as a PPT or an intrafamilial transfer, but a handgun which is not exempt (single action of a certain size, single action of a certain size, etc.) can not be transferred through a FFL unless the purchaser is exempt (ie. LEO).

Yes. Correct, I don't know why I assumed used would be a PPT only as it clearly is not always the case. Anything other than a PPT must be to an exempt purchaser.

Also, any changes (except night sights) to the firearm will make it no longer on the list, including engraving, change of color, grips, etc. as stupid as that it, it is what it is.

[kemasa]

Yes. Correct, I don't know why I assumed used would be a PPT only as it clearly is not always the case. Anything other than a PPT must be to an exempt purchaser.

Or an exempt transfer, such as an intrafamilial transfer.

While it is by design, it is still stupid.

Clearly it is not about safety since LEOs are exempt.

What is also stupid is that if you bought a handgun, which was on the certified list at the time, but it has a problem in which the frame needs to be replaced, you can not transfer the replacement as it is not on the certified list and the transfer is not exempt.

[DoubleCab]

Pardon the basic question, but only certain shops do the SSE? Any Orange County suggestions? Looking for Walther PPQ.

[f4lens]

Based on your guy's comments, I conclude:
I can buy an off-roster handgun from out-of-state,
as far as the seller ships the frame to a CA FFL and rest to me.
10 days after background checks,
0. I can assemble the hand gun
1. I can own and use the handgun
2. I can PPT the gun to a non-FFL (or non-LEO) person in CA.
Hope my conclusion is correct!

I am new to the gun community and I only have owned guns for few months.
My first G19 I bought it from a local store so I had no idea about CA Roster
until this month.
It is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen even I am not
a pro-gun person. There are many wrongs in that law not to mention
some of them even illogical.
How could the law discriminates CA citizen by saying it is OK for LEO
to have it but I cannot because it is not safe for me. The building code applies
to my house, city hall, and any public buildings.
In my eyes, this Roster violates so many constitution rights.
And it is an insult to Californian.
None of the so called 'safety' requirements really for gun owners safety.
Seriously. I have an ISSC M22 which has loaded indicator that I
never pay attention to it. Why? Because it is dark and if the bullet casing
is meta case, I really cannot tell. I always slide the the upper to inspect it
as many gun instructors recommend.

How could I so stupid let this law pass

Yes. Correct, I don't know why I assumed used would be a PPT only as it clearly is not always the case. Anything other than a PPT must be to an exempt purchaser.


It's not stupid—it's by design. This is not about safety after all as is clear to see, it's about limiting who can purchase pistols and that is an unconstitutional infringement by the Crown in California—that is if the courts deem it to be in the end which the legislature has already decided. We are no longer free men but subjects to the Crown in Kalifornia.

[kemasa]

Based on your guy's comments, I conclude:
I can buy an off-roster handgun from out-of-state,

Sorry, your conclusions are wrong. You can pay for an off-roster handgun from out of state.

as far as the seller ships the frame to a CA FFL and rest to me.

This can occur.

10 days after background checks,

This can not unless you are exempt or the transfer is exempt.

0. I can assemble the hand gun

This can not happen without the frame, which can not be transferred to you unless you are exempt or the transfer is exempt.

1. I can own and use the handgun

It is not a handgun without the frame.

2. I can PPT the gun to a non-FFL (or non-LEO) person in CA.

If you had the complete firearm, you could, but since the transfer step is not allowed, you can't.

Hope my conclusion is correct!

Sorry to dash your hope ...

...
How could the law discriminates CA citizen by saying it is OK for LEO
to have it but I cannot because it is not safe for me.

Because most likely the law would not have passed if the exemption did not exist.

...
How could I so stupid let this law pass

The voters who elected the idiots who passed the laws and keep voting for the same (or replacement) idiots.

[Tym2getbizeee]

Just to be clear since all these terms are being thrown around i just want to make sure i'm okay. If i buy a SSE pistol and convert it back to stock form, it will be legal to own and shoot. Sorry if this has been covered, I've tried looking through this section and haven't found a clear answer. Thanks.

[kemasa]

The only limitation in regards to the certified list is in regards to what a FFL can transfer. There are exemptions, such as a LEO, PPT and intrafamilial transfers.

Once you own a firearm, you are free to do what you want with it, as long as you don't convert it into a so-called a-salt weapon.