Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[Strykeback]

Believe its on the first page of this thread and updated regularly.

[firebert]

I'm sorry, I meant the out of state ones that wont mind shipping a off-roster to a FFL in CA.

I heard it mentioned that jetguns.com is GTG but wanted to know if there are any other retails to look at.

[RippSpeed]

I'm sorry, I meant the out of state ones that wont mind shipping a off-roster to a FFL in CA.

I heard it mentioned that jetguns.com is GTG but wanted to know if there are any other retails to look at.

All listed SSE dealers can get you any pistol you want. Another out of state dealer that's good to go is OakHill Enterprises. I've purchase 4 expensive pistols from them as well as a few other buddies of mine. Not one single hitch.

[DVSmith]

I was just looking at this post and it doesn't add-up. The quotes were: A gunsmith buying a gun and modifying and selling it....... etc. My take was the gunsmith was purchasing itself and modifying for profit. Then that would require, I believe, an 07FFL. It didn't say another FFL or an individual dropping off an HG to modify or convert.

If an individual bought the HG and an 01FFL just drop-off parts, then that has a different definition and doesn't have the same definition as a gunsmith making profit by modifying, let say an off-roster HG.

I agree that it doesn't add up, but there are SO MANY places that gun laws defy logic. That still does not relieve an FFL from following the byzantine laws and instead doing what seems logical.

I suspect a lot of this has to do with when title transfers to the buyer and when the work is done. I am not an expert on this, but the assertion that an 01 can receive a gun, and before transferring it to the new owner, modify it so that it is exempt from the roster and transferring it as a single shot as a normal course of business sounds an awful like someone who needs an 07. That is why I asked the question, is there a referenceable memo from BATF on the legality of that process by an 01?

[Cyc Wid It]

Try Gunbroker from a seller who doesn't suggest you move to another state.

[firebert]

I'm not sure if this have been covered already. Please forgive me if it has.

I am a member of another gunmake specific forum with members from all over the country. Can I buy a non-roster gun from another member (private party) and have him/her ship it to my local 07FFL to do the SSE?

I know its acceptable to buy from a out of state dealer to ship to my local 07FFL but is it acceptable to buy from a out of state private individual?

[EBR Works]

I'm not sure if this have been covered already. Please forgive me if it has.

I am a member of another gunmake specific forum with members from all over the country. Can I buy a non-roster gun from another member (private party) and have him/her ship it to my local 07FFL to do the SSE?

I know its acceptable to buy from a out of state dealer to ship to my local 07FFL but is it acceptable to buy from a out of state private individual?

Yes, perfectly legal. Just make sure your FFL will accept shipments from private parties and confirm what their requirements are.

[MB38]

I just wanted to clarify something for myself.

If I'm buying a gun from out of state to bring into CA to SSE that has a threaded barrel, is it acceptable to ship the gun disassembled [lower and barreled upper] to my FFL to have them install a mag block and then reassemble? Would that require an 07 or could a normal 01 do it? I can't tell if such an installation counts as a basic conversion or if it counts as building up from a frame.

Naturally I would leave the block in the gun after delivery to prevent it from becoming an AW.

[Bigedski]

ATF coming for SSE GUNS ?

I got this info from another site can anyone expand on this or is it FUD


A couple of weeks ago I had to go to the Los Angeles Field Division to pick up some seized rifles so they could be sold. (That is another story in itself.)

While waiting for everybody and their brother to sign off (3 hours) several senior special agent came by and said hello. I've known them since I taught at a ATF/DOJ dealer meeting years ago. I also run across them when I teach at their citizen academy.

Of course the talk center around the latest dealer scam called Single Shot exemption. ( For those that don't know it's a way to get around the CA approved safety list). They all asked if I had done any, I told each of them while I legally could, I haven't done any.

They came back as a group and notified me that a decision had been made on the process. The marching orders came from back east. (Duh) My reply to them was any gun manufacture would know the process and how to do it properly.

The most senior agent who know guns a lot said okay fine walk use through the process. Judging by the smirk on his face he figured I would screw up. I laid out the proper process.

1) Must be a type 07 FFL, NOT a Type 01 dealer. They agreed.

2) When you convert a Semi-Auto to a Single Shot, you just manufactured a new firearm. 10% Federal Excise Tax is now owed and figured on the sale price. They agreed.

3) I need to imprint my own serial number and my manufacture name in accordance with ATF regulations. The smirk faded fast on this one. LOL.

4) I explained Glocks and any plastic frame was going to be hard to do. The metal strip insert at time on manufacture was to small to add a character too. (one had to draw his weapon to look, LOL)

5) I then explained the most important part. On pickup, the customer must sign the 4473 federal form. The dealer then has to immediately log the gun out of his/her acquisition and disposition book. Then and only then can the single shot conversion kit be removed. Failure to log out and you get your kit back, you just handed them a non approved semi-auto in violation of CA State law. Two guys started laughing and held out their hands, money was placed there.

I asked them what they were going to do about the none marked "new" guns that are illegal. They said a decision had not been made yet. I asked if any type 07 had paid FET on a conversion. The answer was no. I asked if any type 01 dealers were manufacturing guns. They said several.

Folks, you need to be very careful if you go down this path. . . ..
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[SiegeX]

Has already been discussed, check out post #461 on the previous page. Short answer is we don't know...yet.


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[Table Rock Arms]

Figured I would post this here.

I will no longer be doing single shot conversions. I will be on vacation starting in two weeks and will not be back until November. At which time I will re-evaluate and see what happens. I debated having my assistant do conversions while I was away but have decided not to as it would have been too much work organizing payment and everything else that goes along with doing them.

Ryan

[keenkeen]

Figured I would post this here.

I will no longer be doing single shot conversions. I will be on vacation starting in two weeks and will not be back until November. At which time I will re-evaluate and see what happens. I debated having my assistant do conversions while I was away but have decided not to as it would have been too much work organizing payment and everything else that goes along with doing them.

Ryan

We will miss you Ryan, but have fun and RELAX!

Enjoy your break.

[RippSpeed]

Figured I would post this here.

I will no longer be doing single shot conversions. I will be on vacation starting in two weeks and will not be back until November. At which time I will re-evaluate and see what happens. I debated having my assistant do conversions while I was away but have decided not to as it would have been too much work organizing payment and everything else that goes along with doing them.

Ryan

Have fun Ryan ... And drink couple extra shots for me !!!

[MB38]

Have fun, Ryan!

Now the new question... are there any other SSE-friendly FFLs outside of CA who can do conversions before shipping them in?

[mmayer707]

Have fun, Ryan!

Now the new question... are there any other SSE-friendly FFLs outside of CA who can do conversions before shipping them in?

This would be best IMO. That way you could have it transferred to an 01 without anyone in this state needing to worry.