Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[Rolls-Royce]

Why would an SSE void the warranty? The manufacturer would not even know. Once you switch the gun back to its original configuration, it's original.

I agree with this assessment. Once the original parts are reinstalled, the gun is back in the condition in which it left the factory and for which the warranty is valid. No permanent mods (should) have been made. Just wait until this has been done to submit the warranty registration.

[manini]

Roster and Microstamping

I hope this is not too far off topic. With SSE going away, our only hope is that the roster goes away for anything new. If the roster goes, does microstamping go too or is that a separate issue that would also have to be overturned? The presence of either one, roster or microstamping effectively prevents bringing in new models. It seems to me that, if microstamping is required to make the roster, but there is no roster, then there is no need for microstamping.

[LBDamned]

I hope this is not too far off topic. With SSE going away, our only hope is that the roster goes away for anything new. If the roster goes, does microstamping go too or is that a separate issue that would also have to be overturned? The presence of either one, roster or microstamping effectively prevents bringing in new models. It seems to me that, if microstamping is required to make the roster, but there is no roster, then there is no need for microstamping.

if there is no roster, micro-stamping is pointless.

[Grakken]

Are there any court cases or anything like that in the works to stay the January deadline?

[Cyc Wid It]

Not that I am aware of.

[anoldguy]

Are there any bills that effectively nullify the California Roster. I think I already know the answer, but haven't seen anybody willing to turn over that particular rock.
M

[ke6guj]

Are there any bills that effectively nullify the California Roster. I think I already know the answer, but haven't seen anybody willing to turn over that particular rock.
M

there aren't any bills in process for anything other than what is on the governor's desk waiting to be signed/vetoed.

Any roster-elimination bills would have to wait until the next legislative year.

[anoldguy]

THX

[schanke]

Stay away from wild bill's

I got a Steyr SSE'd through Wild Bill's. The DOJ put an indefinite hold on it. I kept Wild Bill's appraised of the situation every step of the way. They assured me that because I had paid for the gun in full, there was no danger of it being sent back. It took months for me to deal with the DOJ, again always appraising Wild Bill's about once per month. Just as the DOJ removed their hold Wild Bill's called out of the blue and said they were returning the pistol to Steyr. I was pissed and pleaded with them not to do it. They ended up charging me about $200 for "storage". In my opinion, they are no friends of gun owners and basically held my pistol hostage to extract an extra $200 from me....on top of the $936 I paid for the Steyr pistol and SSE. I will never do business with them again.

[thegreatcow]

Hey folks I've been mulling over this for a bit so bear with me.

I have had my heart set on an H&K MK 23 for as long as I can remember. Now I know that the threaded barrel makes it an evil Assault Weapon under California law so I'm kind of curious how the SSE process would go for this gun as I've seen several vendors offer the gun for sale through the SSE process.

As I understand it, would the process go like this?


1) Arrange with seller of the gun to ship the gun pre-configured in SSE format (found a seller willing to do this).

2) Send the SSE config'd gun to an FFL who is also able to do the SSE "unconversion".

3) Now, here's where it gets quirky. So, from what I have read, as long as I don't actually "install" the threaded barrel into the gun, I haven't violated any laws. As long as I make a very noted effort to keep the barrel and the rest of the gun away from each other, technically it's still legal to be in my possession in California correct? The issue arises with SSE unconversion part once the pistol actually arrives here and needs to be converted back to "Original Configuration".

Will an FFL who does SSE unconversions be able to return the gun to the original configuration WITHOUT installing the threaded barrel? Is that technically legal under this rule? I'm genuinely curious and I'd really like to get my hands on the gun without getting myself or an honest FFL/SSE transfer dealer in trouble.

[Lead Waster]

Hi All,

If I SSE a pistol, and then sell it to someone out of state, would that person be able to bring the pistol back into CA if he moves back to this state and has the complete paperwork trail in originals?

An SSE pistol can be transferred within CA with no problems as long as I have the original and complete paperwork correct?

Thanks in advance.

Interesting scenario.

You dros the gun, so its registered under your name. If you sell it to some out of state, there is no dros involved, right? So doj doesn t know you sold it and its not really any of hour business what you do with your own property, they only care f you buy. Then new owner moves into ca. If he registers it voluntarily under his own name, i think that might raise eyebrows, but no big deal. If he sells it without registering o his own name , then there will be some weird situation where, one ca resident drossed it originally and then another sells it. They might think you sold it to him without dros in ca at some point and now he is selling it.

[s*******n]

Interesting scenario.

You dros the gun, so its registered under your name. If you sell it to some out of state, there is no dros involved, right? So doj doesn t know you sold it and its not really any of hour business what you do with your own property, they only care f you buy. Then new owner moves into ca. If he registers it voluntarily under his own name, i think that might raise eyebrows, but no big deal. If he sells it without registering o his own name , then there will be some weird situation where, one ca resident drossed it originally and then another sells it. They might think you sold it to him without dros in ca at some point and now he is selling it.

I was advised by my friend's father (who is a LEO) after selling my gun to an out-of-state buyer to fill out a CA DOJ Form BOF 4546 (Notice of No Longer in Possession). There is no fee and I received a confirmation from CA DOJ. This way, you are covering yourself. If the gun is used later to commit a crime, then you have proof that it was no longer your gun. If you sell it by PPT to another California resident, no need to complete the form - the DROS system is supposed to take care of it.

[EGrove]

So the cut off date is still January 1 correct? I read someone said there is only 10 days left for sse...that did not make sense.

[Cyc Wid It]

Cut off date is still the same. 10 days left might be for that particular shop.

[thegreatcow]

Hey folks I've been mulling over this for a bit so bear with me.

I have had my heart set on an H&K MK 23 for as long as I can remember. Now I know that the threaded barrel makes it an evil Assault Weapon under California law so I'm kind of curious how the SSE process would go for this gun as I've seen several vendors offer the gun for sale through the SSE process.

As I understand it, would the process go like this?


1) Arrange with seller of the gun to ship the gun pre-configured in SSE format (found a seller willing to do this).

2) Send the SSE config'd gun to an FFL who is also able to do the SSE "unconversion".

3) Now, here's where it gets quirky. So, from what I have read, as long as I don't actually "install" the threaded barrel into the gun, I haven't violated any laws. As long as I make a very noted effort to keep the barrel and the rest of the gun away from each other, technically it's still legal to be in my possession in California correct? The issue arises with SSE unconversion part once the pistol actually arrives here and needs to be converted back to "Original Configuration".

Will an FFL who does SSE unconversions be able to return the gun to the original configuration WITHOUT installing the threaded barrel? Is that technically legal under this rule? I'm genuinely curious and I'd really like to get my hands on the gun without getting myself or an honest FFL/SSE transfer dealer in trouble.

Bumping with the followup to this, any folks have any experience with SSE'ing a pistol with "evil" features? I'd really like one, but, as I said, I'd rather not get myself or a dealer in trouble.