Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[ke6guj]

Hey folks I've been mulling over this for a bit so bear with me.

I have had my heart set on an H&K MK 23 for as long as I can remember. Now I know that the threaded barrel makes it an evil Assault Weapon under California law so I'm kind of curious how the SSE process would go for this gun as I've seen several vendors offer the gun for sale through the SSE process.

As I understand it, would the process go like this?


1) Arrange with seller of the gun to ship the gun pre-configured in SSE format (found a seller willing to do this).

2) Send the SSE config'd gun to an FFL who is also able to do the SSE "unconversion".

3) Now, here's where it gets quirky. So, from what I have read, as long as I don't actually "install" the threaded barrel into the gun, I haven't violated any laws. As long as I make a very noted effort to keep the barrel and the rest of the gun away from each other, technically it's still legal to be in my possession in California correct? The issue arises with SSE unconversion part once the pistol actually arrives here and needs to be converted back to "Original Configuration".

Will an FFL who does SSE unconversions be able to return the gun to the original configuration WITHOUT installing the threaded barrel? Is that technically legal under this rule? I'm genuinely curious and I'd really like to get my hands on the gun without getting myself or an honest FFL/SSE transfer dealer in trouble.

different dealers will do this in different ways. some will set up the gun to be fixed mag so it doesn't matter if it has a threaded barrel. others will remove the threads from the barrel. others can provide a second non-threaded barrel that is used. it all depends on the FFL. you need to ask the dealer what they are comfortable and willing to do.

[thegreatcow]

different dealers will do this in different ways. some will set up the gun to be fixed mag so it doesn't matter if it has a threaded barrel. others will remove the threads from the barrel. others can provide a second non-threaded barrel that is used. it all depends on the FFL. you need to ask the dealer what they are comfortable and willing to do.

Thank you for the information sir. I don't suppose you know of any local so cal FFLs that deal with these sort of...unusual...pistols do you? I looked at the SSE list, but I didn't see any explicitly mention being able to work with this particular H&K Pistol.

[pklin1297]

Haven't been able to find this exact question, or maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but:

- If I start DROS on a SSE gun less than 10 days before end of 2014, and the DROS period ends in 2015, would there be a problem in receiving this gun? This is a scenario that is contingent on 1 in 30 of course.

thanks.

[ke6guj]

Haven't been able to find this exact question, or maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but:

- If I start DROS on a SSE gun less than 10 days before end of 2014, and the DROS period ends in 2015, would there be a problem in receiving this gun? This is a scenario that is contingent on 1 in 30 of course.

thanks.

many/most dealers think that it needs to be picked before Jan 1. There has been no confirmation one way or another by CADOJ.

[pklin1297]

many/most dealers think that it needs to be picked before Jan 1. There has been no confirmation one way or another by CADOJ.

Thanks. Better to be safe and get it done prior to last day of the year then.

[LBDamned]

Haven't been able to find this exact question, or maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but:

- If I start DROS on a SSE gun less than 10 days before end of 2014, and the DROS period ends in 2015, would there be a problem in receiving this gun? This is a scenario that is contingent on 1 in 30 of course.

thanks.

I highly doubt any FFL will DROS SSE after the 21st (most probably won't after the 20th - since they may close, or close early on the 31st).

I suggest plan on getting everything now and have your last DROS started no later than 12/20/14.

[09cs]

I'm really confused about this whole SSE thing, can someone explain in simpler terms for me if possible? You can PM if you want.

Thank you

[HibikiR]

It involves placing a special metal tube in the barrel of the pistol that only allows it to fire one round before requiring the shooter to manually load the next round.

This places the pistol in a different legal classification that allows it to be imported and sold despite not being on Kalifornia's list of "safe" handguns.

Thanks to Gov. Brown, this will no longer work at the end of the year.

[09cs]

Ah ok so it applies to handguns on the "restricted" list only?

[HibikiR]

There is no "restricted" list per se, all handguns not on the DOJ's "safe" list are restricted.

[seanter]

Any chance of a solid YES or NO legal opinion?

Haven't been able to find this exact question, or maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but:

- If I start DROS on a SSE gun less than 10 days before end of 2014, and the DROS period ends in 2015, would there be a problem in receiving this gun? This is a scenario that is contingent on 1 in 30 of course.

thanks.

I am in the unenviable boat of not being able to start my 'last' dros until after 6 pm on December 21, and pick up after 6 pm on the 31st. I didn't plan this, but I'm on the '30 days plus a few minutes plan', trying to pick some sweet gems I won't be able to next year.
I may have a dealer willing to do the December dates for me, but no commitment (not that I blame him at all if he won't).
Dealers in Sacramento all have different plans/opinions. 1 won't start dros after 'early' December at all. Still another will start on 20th, but won't open on Sunday the 21st period. 2 are not sure whether delivery after the 1st is legal or not, and hope for someone lawyerly on Calguns to weigh in. Those 2 may be willing to start dros right up to the end of the year, but are leaning towards cutting off on the 20th. Of course any buyer has to pickup on the right date or risk losing the sale, and no one wants to run afoul of the law.
I wonder if doj will just come back with "NO" when paper is sent to them with less than 10 days prior to end of year, but I doubt bureaucracy is that efficient.
I like it here, but sometimes I wish I lived in Nevada.

[Baboosh]

I am in the unenviable boat of not being able to start my 'last' dros until after 6 pm on December 21, and pick up after 6 pm on the 31st. I didn't plan this, but I'm on the '30 days plus a few minutes plan', trying to pick some sweet gems I won't be able to next year.
I may have a dealer willing to do the December dates for me, but no commitment (not that I blame him at all if he won't).
Dealers in Sacramento all have different plans/opinions. 1 won't start dros after 'early' December at all. Still another will start on 20th, but won't open on Sunday the 21st period. 2 are not sure whether delivery after the 1st is legal or not, and hope for someone lawyerly on Calguns to weigh in. Those 2 may be willing to start dros right up to the end of the year, but are leaning towards cutting off on the 20th. Of course any buyer has to pickup on the right date or risk losing the sale, and no one wants to run afoul of the law.
I wonder if doj will just come back with "NO" when paper is sent to them with less than 10 days prior to end of year, but I doubt bureaucracy is that efficient.
I like it here, but sometimes I wish I lived in Nevada.

DOJ has not said if guns in SSE dros after December 31st can be released. Most dealers are saying all guns need to be picked up by January 1st.

I know we'll be doing 50+ deliveries New Years eve up till 10:59pm.

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[Lazer Tooth]

I've checked this thread and I don't seem to find the answer. Does the SSE also pertain to LE? Meaning, if a LEO purchased a G26 G4 tomorrow, would this SSE also pertain to them?

I'm guessing not but I was just wondering.

[kemasa]

There is no reason to do a SSE for a person who is exempt from the certified list, such as LEOs, unless the FFL does not want to honor the LEO loophole.

[09cs]

Say a LEO bought an off the roster gun, and decided to sell it to a non LEO, would it hve to be SSE'd still?