2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[C.G.]

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly. If I had a pistol prior to 2017, I can make it fixed mag (patriot mag or any other) and not have to register it? Would I still have to volreg it?

Correct on the first part and if it was 80% you would have to volreg it.

[Quiet]

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly. If I had a pistol prior to 2017, I can make it fixed mag (patriot mag or any other) and not have to register it? Would I still have to volreg it?

1. If it does not meet the definition of an assault weapon, then it can not be registered as an assault weapon.

2. If it is self-marked per BATFE specifications, then it can be registered as a non-assault weapon before 07-01-2018.

3. If it is self-marked per BATFE specifications and it is not voluntarily registered as a non-assault weapon before 07-01-2018, then it must have CA DOJ marking info engraved on it before 01-01-2019. This process will register the firearm as a non-assault weapon.

4. If it complete and unmarked, then starting 07-01-2018, it must have CA DOJ marking info engraved on it before 01-01-2019. This process will register the firearm as a non-assault weapon.

5. If made after 06-30-2018, it must have CA DOJ marking info engraved on it. This process will register the firearm as a non-assault weapon.

6. Starting 01-01-2019, possession of an unregistered self-made/assembled (80%) firearm can be confiscated as evidence of violating CA home built firearm laws. It will also be illegal to transfer (sell, gift, etc) any self-made/assembled firearm in CA, unless it is to surrender it to law enforcement for destruction.

[Mesa Defense]

Great info

[MWPatriot]

It will also be illegal to transfer (sell, gift, etc) any self-made/assembled firearm in CA, unless it is to surrender it to law enforcement for destruction.

... or part of a Gun Trust.

[Quiet]

... or part of a Gun Trust.

Yes, it will also be illegal to transfer to a trust.

And CA home built firearm laws also makes it so everyone involved with a corporation/trust can be charged for illegal manfuacture/transfer of a self-made/assembled firearm.

Which would mean, if an unregistered 80% firearm is discovered by CA LEOs and it is said that the firearm is owned by a trust/corporation, then everyone listed on the trust/corporation can be charged for the illegal manfuacture of that firearm.


However... (because it can involve NFA trusts)
If an 80% firearm is legally made into a Title 2 AOW, then it would be CA legal. Even though it is not registered with CA DOJ, because the markings would be approved by BATFE. [PC 29181(a) and 11 CCR 5508(a)]

[ers1978]

Coke bottle: Regarding my threaded barrel question: by fixed magazine, you mean fitted with a bullet button?

[ers1978]

If I were to attempt to register an AR pistol built initially as a single shot from an 80% lower back in 2015, then later converted into a semi auto, would I be breaking any laws? If said pistol had a threaded barrel and was equipped with a bullet button?

[MWPatriot]

Yes, it will also be illegal to transfer to a trust.

And CA home built firearm laws also makes it so everyone involved with a corporation/trust can be charged for illegal manfuacture/transfer of a self-made/assembled firearm.

Which would mean, if an unregistered 80% firearm is discovered by CA LEOs and it is said that the firearm is owned by a trust/corporation, then everyone listed on the trust/corporation can be charged for the illegal manfuacture of that firearm.


However... (because it can involve NFA trusts)
If an 80% firearm is legally made into a Title 2 AOW, then it would be CA legal. Even though it is not registered with CA DOJ, because the markings would be approved by BATFE. [PC 29181(a) and 11 CCR 5508(a)]

Not illegal at all because it wouldn’t be a transfer.

EDIT: I shouldn’t be so cavalier - yes, you’re right possibly illegal if the trust is improperly set up, I’m not sure. My wife is the lawyer who primarily does trusts and estate planning and I can’t recite all the ins and outs off the top of my head. In fact it’s something we’re working through right now. But I do believe gun trusts are still beneficial and can allow our home-built or otherwise “banned” family heirlooms are passed down for generations.

[zeroman03]

If I were to attempt to register an AR pistol built initially as a single shot from an 80% lower back in 2015, then later converted into a semi auto, would I be breaking any laws? If said pistol had a threaded barrel and was equipped with a bullet button?

AGAIN, a threaded barrel does not matter on an AR pistol.

- If you built it back in 2015, and would like to keep it in BBAW configuration, then my understanding is that you need to request a DOJ issued SN, have said number engraved on the firearm, then register as a BBAW before the deadline.

- If you have what is now defined as a fixed magazine, one which cannot be removed without the disassembly of the firearm's action, then the consensus seems to be that you can have the firearm engraved with a personal SN and then VolReg by 7/1/18.

Not sure if you're aware, but there are 2 types of registrations that have been discussed in this ginormous thread.


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[TurboChrisB]

- If you have what is now defined as a fixed magazine, one which cannot be removed without the disassembly of the firearm's action, then the consensus seems to be that you can have the firearm engraved with a personal SN and then VolReg by 6/1/18.

You mean by 7/1/18

[zeroman03]

You mean by 7/1/18

Yes, 7/1/18. It was a test to see if anyone was paying attention. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[TurboChrisB]

Yes, 7/1/18. It was a test to see if anyone was paying attention. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Ok now THAT'S funny.....

[BrokerB]

I feel a little bit bad for asking..but I'm not clear..but I think I might be.

80% built as an ar pistol with a bb 4 years ago and engraved per atf specs - now needs to be made "action open magazine release only" and then VOL reg?

[bokehshooter]

Looking to see if anyone has any info on a scenario similar to below:

Bullet Button AR Pistol DROS'd in 2016 (not at 80%) built by local FFL

I understand that it would have had to been manufactured as single shot. Would the DROS form have single shot listed or would it display semi-auto if converted?

[bajadan]

Looking to see if anyone has any info on a scenario similar to below:

Bullet Button AR Pistol DROS'd in 2016 (not at 80%) built by local FFL

I understand that it would have had to been manufactured as single shot. Would the DROS form have single shot listed or would it display semi-auto if converted?

Yes, DROS would say SSE roster exemption checked.