2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[Cokebottle]

So I have to vol reg all my 80% I milled out (before July) myself and send in my own serial to the doj? So no more ghost guns at all?

Correct.
You can thank Kevin Leon and Gavin Newsom.

If so...how do i register it as a legal pistol then?

CFARS or VolReg

[Cokebottle]

I read it as creating a stripped lower in California from an 80% and making it into a complete lower in Nevada, then making it in Nevada a semi-auto, to then bring back into California. Would that be a different situation?

I don't think it matters. Once the lower has been machined in the fire control group area, it is no longer an 80% and is considered to be a "firearm" by the BATFE.
At that point, a California resident could conceivably take it out of state and assemble parts to it, in any configuration that is legal in that state and non-NFA.
It MAY then be legal to bring it back into California.

California PC is full of "within California" phrases. Some are problematic, such as the prohibition on "offering for sale within California"... depending on how the phrase is parsed, it may or may not be illegal for a person to sell a magazine or AW to someone out of state... is the prohibition also against the "offering for sale" within California, or merely prohibiting the transfer from taking place in California.

But the law does not say that it is illegal for a California resident to manufacture an off-roster handgun. It is illegal to manufacture one IN California.
It is also not illegal to modify a gun while you are out of state, so long as it is not an AW or NFA item when returning with it.
The lower being completed establishes it as a "firearm", therefore no interstate status change exists.

[Califpatriot]

Federal laws prohibits a non-FFL from acquiring a firearm in another State unless a FFL it utilized. [18 USC 922(a)(3)]
^Failure to utilize a FFL equates to a Federal felony. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]

Right, but you would not be "purchas[ing] or otherwise obtaining" the firearm outside California. You would have milled it, creating a "firearm" in California.

CA laws requires a CA resident that acquires a firearm in another State to import that firearm into CA using a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(a)]

Again, in this scenario, didn't "purchase or obtain it" outside the state.

In order for a CA resident to legally make a firearm in another State and bring it to CA:
1. An out-of-state 07-FFL must be utilized.
2. After the firearm is made, the 07-FFL will mark it with their information.
3. Afterwards, the firearm must be shipped to a CA FFL dealer.
4. That CA FFL dealer will then transfer the firearm to the CA resident.

The firearm must be CA legal (not considered a prohibited weapon) and if the firearm is a handgun, then it must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it (C&R, LEO sale, OTP, SAE, SSE2).

Again, in his scenario, you wouldn't have made it outside the state because you would have milled it in California.

Am I wrong?

[Califpatriot]

However, and I ask to be corrected if i'm wrong, stripped lowers cannot be registered as a "pistol," in California. My understanding is that in order for a firearm to meet the requirements for exceptions under PC 32100, it must be a functioning and dimensionally compliant break top or bolt action single shot pistol.

Why do you believe you cannot register a stripped lower as a pistol? A FFL cannot DROS a stripped AR lower as a pistol, but I believe it can be vol-reged as a pistol (so long as it has never been in a rifle configuration). Anybody with experience on this?

Unfortunately, now with AB-857 going into effect, all 80 percent lowers must one way or another be registered with the DOJ. Therefore, I cannot see how someone could mill out an 80 percent lower, take it out of state to complete the assembly of a SA pistol, and then return to California without running into the same setbacks as just converting while here.

I don't see why not. Not saying there isn't a reason why--I just don't see what Penal Code provision you'd be violating in the scenario I outlined.

[zeroman03]

Why do you believe you cannot register a stripped lower as a pistol? A FFL cannot DROS a stripped AR lower as a pistol, but I believe it can be vol-reged as a pistol (so long as it has never been in a rifle configuration). Anybody with experience on this?




I don't see why not. Not saying there isn't a reason why--I just don't see what Penal Code provision you'd be violating in the scenario I outlined.

I myself do not have experience with trying to VolReg a stripped AR lower as a pistol, so I guess I should have phrased it as "I don't think one can."

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[Califpatriot]

I myself do not have experience with trying to VolReg a stripped AR lower as a pistol, so I guess I should have phrased it as "I don't think one can."

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For what it's worth, the BOF-1008 form lets you write whatever you want it seems.

[805local]

Correct.
You can thank Kevin Leon and Gavin Newsom.


CFARS or VolReg

Which is easier? Is there a difference?

Since I started with an 80% lower, I can register it as an AR PISTOL (not AW) since thats how it was from the start?

also
If I were to register my AR PISTOL...when choosing "frame only" would it be best to choose yes? Since I wont have to input caliber and barrel length?

[805local]

How do I fill out this form for my 80% lower AR Pistol?

Below are the areas I have questions about...

Frame only- what should I put?

What do I put for Model?

Date acquired?

Comments?

[Cokebottle]

What do I put for Model?

Whatever you have engraved on the lower. Anything you want to call it.

Date acquired?

The date that you completed the build.

[805local]

Whatever you have engraved on the lower. Anything you want to call it.
The date that you completed the build.

Frame- Yes or NO?

Does it have to be completed or just engraved/milled out?

[Ardor]

Has anyone volregged a self built AR pistol in semi successfully yet?

[AreWeNotMen?]

Just SN on lower if BoF 4542A submittal only?

So with a self-made, fixed mag AR pistol, if not going RAW route and simply using mail-in BoF form 4542A by 7/1/18, the only identifying mark needed on the lower is a self-chosen serial number, correct?

If RAW, I understand it needs to have make, model, origin, etc....but in the above case, just a serial number.

[BrokerB]

I dont think so. It needs markings per atf standard. Those standards have been discussed here and dozens of other threads

[MWPatriot]

Has anyone had successful volreg response registering an AR Pistol lower receiver only?

[805local]

WOULD THIS BE THE WAY TO FILL OUT THE VOLREG FOR AN AR PISTOL?

*Firearm Type = PISTOL

*Category =SEMI AUTO

*Frame Only? =NO

*HSC or FSC Number= XXXXXX

*Make = U S

*Model =N/A

*Caliber= 5.56

*Firearm Color =BLACK

*Barrel Length = 7.5"

*Serial Number= XXXXXXXX

*Re-enter Serial Number= XXXXXX

*Firearm Origin= SELF MADE

*Date Acquired =05/30/2018

*Acquired From =OTHER

*Explain Why=SELF MADE


*Comments= SELF MADE PISTOL, FIX MAG, BREAK TOP.