Sacramento

[Dvrjon]

He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying....So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020.

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

...So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

I have no doubt that both of you think what you've posted is correct; however, please note the policy statement from the Sheriff's website.

Renewal is based on expiration of permit, not age of training certification.http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga.../SIIB/CCW.aspx

Step 1 - Schedule a "Renew Concealed Weapons Permit" appointment via our [Online Appointment System]. We allow permit holders to renew their permits 60 days prior to their permit’s expiration (but NO sooner!) and there is a 60-day grace period after your permit expires. You cannot carry your CCW once it expires, but you do not have to start the process over as a new applicant. If your permit expires 61 days or more you will have to apply again as a new applicant.

See the trend?

One thing that may be getting lost in translation is the different lengths of issuance for CCWs. They can be issued for 2, 3 or 4 years. Regarding training requirements for (standard, two-year) renewal, the Sheriff's website (same as above) has this:

CCW Permit Renewals (every 2 years) - Prior to renewal, complete at least a 4-hour legal firearms update refresher course. Qualify with each gun you want listed on your CCW Permit.

Pretty straight forward stuff.

Absolutely no inference that age of training certs voids the license.

Best.

[Mr. Helio]

Renewed today. Went smoothly in and out less than 20 minutes.

[harbinger007]

I have no doubt that both of you think what you've posted is correct; however, please note the policy statement from the Sheriff's website.

Renewal is based on expiration of permit, not age of training certification.http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga.../SIIB/CCW.aspxSee the trend?

One thing that may be getting lost in translation is the different lengths of issuance for CCWs. They can be issued for 2, 3 or 4 years. Regarding training requirements for (standard, two-year) renewal, the Sheriff's website (same as above) has this: Pretty straight forward stuff.

Absolutely no inference that age of training certs voids the license.

Best.

I have no confusion over what the written policy is or what I was told. There was nothing lost in translation; I gave him a scenario of when I might do my next training and he said I would need to get training again within two years of that date. This deputy is stating something that is not in the policy or in the penal code. Everything is pretty straight forward until someone at the SSD tells you something that isn't right.

[Mr. Helio]

I believe you have to do training before the permit expires. And the earliest you can schedule a renewel appointment is 60 days before expiration. So it makes sense to get it right before your appointment. When in doubt give them a call and proceed from there .....

[Mr. Helio]

Plus if you want to change any weapons listed on your permit. It's a good time to do it on your renewel. Since modification appointments are closed right now. Only downside is you have to wait to carry them until the new permit kicks in. Unless one is listed on the current valid permit.

[Dvrjon]

I have no confusion over what the written policy is or what I was told. There was nothing lost in translation; I gave him a scenario of when I might do my next training and he said I would need to get training again within two years of that date. This deputy is stating something that is not in the policy or in the penal code. Everything is pretty straight forward until someone at the SSD tells you something that isn't right.

My point was not that you misunderstood, but to show the deputy's position cannot be correct.

Best.

[harbinger007]

I believe you have to do training before the permit expires. And the earliest you can schedule a renewel appointment is 60 days before expiration. So it makes sense to get it right before your appointment. When in doubt give them a call and proceed from there .....

That does not work well for me. My renewal comes up at a very busy time of year for me working 80+ hour weeks as it is. I believe it was around May or June in 2010 when I first applied and it just worked out that my issuance came at the end of a very busy time of year for me. Back in 2010 the policy was different but by the first renewal we were already told our training can be done right after our prior renewal. I will take my next training at a slower time of year for me. I want to avoid doing my qualifications in hard driving rain like I did in mid-October, that's for sure. It's simple, just do it when it's convenient anytime after the prior renewal. I've been carrying the same weapons for six years and don't plan to change.

My point was not that you misunderstood, but to show the deputy's position cannot be correct.

Best.

Okay, I misunderstood you. I was a bit surprised with this as there have been no issues with officers in prior renewals. He also asked me if I had my marijuana card yet. I'm a clean cut older guy, no thanks.

[Dvrjon]

I want to avoid doing my qualifications in hard driving rain like I did in mid-October, that's for sure.

As an "older guy", I separate training from qualification shoots. Training can take place in all kinds of conditions and circumstances. Qualification shoots happen at indoor ranges with a minimum of muss and fuss.

"Climate Control...It's a good thing."

[Mr. Helio]

My qualification class was at night. Only time I could do it. It's only 4 hours. At first I was thinking man shooting in the dark! What a challenge. In the end I'm glad it was at night on a dimly lit range. The reality of the situation is. Most defensive instances take place at night in the dark. So what better way to train?
It seems prudent to me to make the best of what I had to deal with.

[californiagal]

He also asked me if I had my marijuana card yet.

Yeah, I was asked that question repeatively. Got the impression saying yes would be an automatic denial. Not a problem for me, clean & sober 25+ years.

[Dvrjon]

My qualification class was at night. Only time I could do it. It's only 4 hours. At first I was thinking man shooting in the dark! What a challenge. In the end I'm glad it was at night on a dimly lit range. The reality of the situation is. Most defensive instances take place at night in the dark. So what better way to train?
It seems prudent to me to make the best of what I had to deal with.

You are confusing training with qualification.

[harbinger007]

Yeah, I was asked that question repeatively. Got the impression saying yes would be an automatic denial. Not a problem for me, clean & sober 25+ years.

I was just asked once. I just said "No. Do you have yours yet or do you recommend I get mine?" He said it stinks, etc. and think he had enough of that, LOL.

Okay, regarding my concerns about the supposed requirement he mentioned that our training never be more than 2 years old, I decided to email Amber about it. I got a call back this afternoon from another officer (one who happened to be working temporarily at the front counter when I went in and who recognized my family name). After some discussion he said he would have a talk with the officer that gave out this information to straighten that out.

However.... he also said that the department is implementing a new policy effective this coming January. The new policy will require that the training be within six months of issuance or renewal. No biggie unless you already took your training for a renewal more than six months out.

[pj35745]

Question about LiveScan application:
Which LiveScan form do I need to apply for clearance for a CCW?

[Harley Hound]

Question about LiveScan application:
Which LiveScan form do I need to apply for clearance for a CCW?

The sheriff will send you a form that you take in when you go for the live scan.

[pj35745]

Thanks, HH.