Orange

[Citadelgrad87]

Its not a change until its promulgated. They might be telling everyone who trains, but what about people, like me, who qualified with grandfathered mags? They need to tell ccw holders, not instructors, for an immediate change.

[ProudConservativeinCA]

I applied for CCW in Orange County and from date of submitting my application to day of notice of it being approved was exactly 120 days. not bad in my opinion..
background I moved to Orange County from Bay Area just to get my CCW. Literally put in my 2 weeks notice after landing a job down here. Worth it. I hope SCOTUS over turns an anti CCW case that will set these laws straight, back to honoring our RKBA, openly or concealed. For the sake of those whose lives and family commitments don't allow them to move out of no issue county, as I was fortunate enough to be able to do. Thank you OC Sheriff Don Barnes for respecting our RKBA.

[user name]

Does anyone know if Orange County only starts working on your renewal ONLY after you pay them their $80?

It's been two months since they told me to take my class and I completed it. Crickets.

[Yodaman]

Does anyone know if Orange County only starts working on your renewal ONLY after you pay them their $80?



It's been two months since they told me to take my class and I completed it. Crickets.

You pay after you have been approved. So yes, they work on it before you pay. Unless they have started taking online payments again. In that case I am not certain.

[CWM4A1]

Its not a change until its promulgated. They might be telling everyone who trains, but what about people, like me, who qualified with grandfathered mags? They need to tell ccw holders, not instructors, for an immediate change.

First of all, I hope you are right. For the sake of freedom, I hope carrying with grandfathering mag as well as mags purchased during freedom week are all fine. However, your argument here is merely that a) they could've contact everyone, and b) they could've update the posted policy.

Well, here's what I can see as a problem. Apparently, what's legal has nothing to do with what restriction OCSD wants to apply to permit issuance. Otherwise we wouldn't have the modification fiasco to begin with. Since trigger mod, barrel swap, slide cut/mill were all legal to modify, how are these restrictions binding (until removed) but not the high cap mag carry restriction? You can say it's on OCSD terms of license 8(m) that makes it binding, than I can also say that 8(n) is how OCSD can say the high cap mag restriction is now binding.

BTW, if you think this is new, it's not. According to other post you said Greg Block (who I consider is an anti-2A bottom feeder POS) didn't require or say anything about the grandfathered mags you used to qual at that time and that's your justification. If that's the case, you just confirmed that he does not follow OCSD guide-line as there were another similar e-mail being send by the now retired sergeant to all training providers back in 2018, where it listed what mods are/not allowed, and 10rd mag restriction is part of the e-mail.

So, until proven otherwise, how you felt about the high cap mag, grandfathered or not are just your opinion. I chuck this one to "carry at your own risk" since from my perspective OCSD certainly can screw you over if they found out and decided to do so. Being legal does not mean they can't revoke your permit. I sure hope one day CA goes shall issue so I do not need sheriff department to tell me what I can/cannot carry.

[9Cal_OC]

Alright guys, looks like were getting conflicting information. From the OCSD website, we have this:

The CCW license does not define magazine capacity, just the firearm model, serial number, and caliber. If the magazine and firearm are legal to possess in the State of California, and the firearm is approved to be listed on the license, a CCW permit holder may carry.

California firearms laws/regulations are subject to change. It is the responsibility of the owner/applicant to ensure the firearm and magazine are in compliance with California law at the time of carry.
Any violations or failure to adhere to state laws/regulations will result in immediate suspension and/or revocation of license.

So looks like 10+ are okay?

[igs]

Looks like Citadelgrad87 was right again.

[Dvrjon]

Seems straight forward from the public notice posted on the website:

FIREARM MODIFICATIONS:
-Modifications are allowed for approved CCW listed handguns so long as the gun and all parts/modifications are legal in the State of California.
-All firearms/modifications must be inspected at the time of training to ensure the weapon is in safe working order.
-If a modification(s) is done after the issuance of the license, you must apply for an Amendment and complete the training/inspection as if it were a newly listed weapon.
-The responsibility for the legality of firearm and its parts/accessories lies solely with the owner/applicant.
-Any violations or failure to adhere to state laws/regulations will result in immediate suspension and/or revocation of license.

MAGAZINE CAPACITY:
-The CCW license does not define magazine capacity, just the firearm model, serial number, and caliber. If the magazine and firearm are legal to possess in the State of California, and the firearm is approved to be listed on the license, a CCW permit holder may carry.
-California firearms laws/regulations are subject to change. It is the responsibility of the owner/applicant to ensure the firearm and magazine are in compliance with California law at the time of carry.
-Any violations or failure to adhere to state laws/regulations will result in immediate suspension and/or revocation of license.

Location:
Orange County Sheriff's Department
CCW Licensing Unit
320 N. Flower Street 4th Floor
Santa Ana, CA 92703

Office Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. (with the exception of County holidays)

[CWM4A1]

From my perspective, this is great news. I am happy to be wrong when things are moving toward the right direction.

Seems like there are level headed people handling the CCW unit at OCSD.

And Greg Block is wrong again, claiming OCSD will be inviting lawsuit to allow permit holder using standard cap mags.

[vocoder]

So I don’t want to split hairs - but aren’t 11+ mags still ‘technically’ illegal, albeit enforcement of that law is suspended?

I am thrilled with all the changes, but would still like to see a more clear definition from the OCSD on this.

[9Cal_OC]

[socal m1 shooter]

Just saw this. From one of the principals at Artemis.

So....you want to carry a Standard Capacity Magazine?

You may remember that last week I sent you all an email outlining the new OCSD policy regarding modifications of CCW firearms as well as the ability for spouses and domestic partners to carry each others guns.

Good stuff.

OCSD at the time adopted the additional policy that they would not allow legally acquired standard capacity magazines to be carried.

Well....that changed this morning.

OCSD has formally announced the following:

MAGAZINE CAPACITY:

The CCW license does not define magazine capacity, just the firearm model, serial number, and caliber. If the magazine and firearm are legal to possess in the State of California, and the firearm is approved to be listed on the license, a CCW permit holder may carry.

• California firearms laws/regulations are subject to change. It is the responsibility of the owner/applicant to ensure the firearm and magazine are in compliance with California law at the time of carry.
• Any violations or failure to adhere to state laws/regulations will result in immediate suspension and/or revocation of license.

So...if you have a legally acquired standard capacity magazine and you want to carry it....you are now good to go!

I don't want to minimize this! OCSD has taken an EXTREMELY freedom-oriented approach to what you can and cannot carry.

This is good stuff!!!!

[air0n'03]

[pklin1297]

Now on the OCSD CCW home page under FIREARM MODIFICATIONS.

"If a modification(s) is done after the issuance of the license, you must complete the training/inspection as if it were a newly listed weapon. The training certificate will be added to your file."

My assumption from reading this is that after I modify the trigger in my G26, for example, I must have it inspected by a certified instructor and go through the shooting qualification portion of training again, and submit the new training completion cert. to OCSD.

Anything else?

[TranLeland]

Hey guys, so I'm going to be applying for my CCW soon and I think I have a pretty good chance due to my good cause (I am both IT and a medical technician for 5 medical practices so I constantly deliver equipment with patient info and medication to our clinics in my personal vehicle).

However, I noticed on the OCSD site that it says I need to provide proof of ownership or that the firearm is registered but I misplaced my copy of the DROS awhile back when I moved from Sacramento to here. Is there any other way I can provide proof for my firearm? Asking my FFL is out of the question because he moved from Sacramento to Utah and said he had to turn in all his records to the DOJ.

Also, another question, anybody have a rough estimate of when they do the residency check at your house? I live with my dad due to his cancer treatments so I'd like to be able to give him a heads-up so he isn't caught off guard or freak out.