Orange

[cbr rob]

Called and asked about the status of my application. Looks like Livescan is back and they are waiting on my residency check. The bummer is... the residency check was done over 2 weeks ago! Officer spoke with my daughter and father in law. Showed pictures and utility bill.

Kinda frustrating that the residency check is holding up the process, even after it's been done.

[WARDEN82]

Finally took the step and started the process.

Submitted the request for interview today on 11/16/16
Received response for interview set for 06/19/17

7 months to perfect the GC

[downdiver2]

Buddy was denied Good Cause yesterday at his initial interview.

[Citadelgrad87]

Buddy was denied Good Cause yesterday at his initial interview.

Can you share his details without revealing specifics that would identify him?

[downdiver2]

Can you share his details without revealing specifics that would identify him?

Its his story and he's on here, but post very little.

Basic cause:

Opens and locks up warehouse filled with multimillion dollar projects and tools in the South LA area. Very early morning hours to late at night (Zero Dark thirty hours for both). Then throughout the day works in said neighborhoods with thousands of dollars worth of tools on a work truck. He also included hiking in remote areas where police response times would be in excess of 20 minutes or more.

[Browneye]

I could be way off base here, but my take is that unless the employer is going to vouch for his 'grave bodily injury or death' due to his line of work that it is not considered good cause. I'm thinking that OCSD isn't granting permits for people to carry OTJ - unless the employer is endorsing it.

It could have been something else within the GC statement as well. There should have been some kind of explanation as to why his reasons were insufficient. We certainly would like to know for sure.

[CHOPSavn]

Its his story and he's on here, but post very little.

Basic cause:

Opens and locks up warehouse filled with multimillion dollar projects and tools in the South LA area. Very early morning hours to late at night (Zero Dark thirty hours for both). Then throughout the day works in said neighborhoods with thousands of dollars worth of tools on a work truck. He also included hiking in remote areas where police response times would be in excess of 20 minutes or more.

Are you sure that the reason he was denied was solely because of his good cause statement, or could it have possibly been something else, like a really old random thing that he maybe forgot to mention about his criminal record? I don't know.

If the former is the case, and what you're telling us is as close to his statement as you're willing to divulge, then his denial doesn't make too much sense to me, to be honest. My statement was MUCH less work-oriented than your friend's, and my good cause was approved just a few weeks ago. My reasons were pretty much purely recreational, despite the fact I was asked to provided some extra proof and documentation for my investigator to add substance to my case.

Seems like Browneye's suggestion might hold true, from what I can see. As far as I know, OCSD isn't really looking to deny anyone unless they had some disqualifying offense on their criminal record, or they just don't finish the process. At least, that's what I'm getting from this article:

http://behindthebadgeoc.com/cities/ocsd/ocsd-takes-steps-meet-exploding-demand-carry-concealed-weapon-permits

So, a few cases here:
1) Your friend has some other random disqualifying factor in his application.
2) Your friend's statement wasn't well-articulated or substantiated with evidence.
3) Lack of his employer vouching for him actually led to denial, and OCSD is cracking down hard on carrying for business purposes.

[bigbob76]

[QUOTE=CHOPSavn;19185229]
Seems like Browneye's suggestion might hold true, from what I can see. As far as I know, OCSD isn't really looking to deny anyone unless they had some disqualifying offense on their criminal record, or they just don't finish the process. At least, that's what I'm getting from this article:

http://behindthebadgeoc.com/cities/ocsd/ocsd-takes-steps-meet-exploding-demand-carry-concealed-weapon-permits

Thanks for posting this link, I had not seen this article.

[Browneye]

From the 'behind the badge' article...

"If an applicant has a criminal history, a propensity toward violence or poor decision-making issues, the OCSD can refer applicants to a psychological evaluation. Some are randomly chosen for such an evaluation; others, such as those who, for example, say they were treated for mental illness as a teenager, will undergo a psychological exam.

According to Stiverson, only about 4 percent of CCW applications in O.C. are denied. Most are denied either because the applicant decides not to complete the process or for disqualifying requirements, like a previous felony conviction."

[downdiver2]

No where near number 1. Its more number 2.

update: Deputy gave him examples and told him to revise his statement and he will submit the new version for review, not a full out denial. Just was told that if they proceed with current GC it will be denied based on deputies experience.

Are you sure that the reason he was denied was solely because of his good cause statement, or could it have possibly been something else, like a really old random thing that he maybe forgot to mention about his criminal record? I don't know.

If the former is the case, and what you're telling us is as close to his statement as you're willing to divulge, then his denial doesn't make too much sense to me, to be honest. My statement was MUCH less work-oriented than your friend's, and my good cause was approved just a few weeks ago. My reasons were pretty much purely recreational, despite the fact I was asked to provided some extra proof and documentation for my investigator to add substance to my case.

Seems like Browneye's suggestion might hold true, from what I can see. As far as I know, OCSD isn't really looking to deny anyone unless they had some disqualifying offense on their criminal record, or they just don't finish the process. At least, that's what I'm getting from this article:

http://behindthebadgeoc.com/cities/ocsd/ocsd-takes-steps-meet-exploding-demand-carry-concealed-weapon-permits

So, a few cases here:
1) Your friend has some other random disqualifying factor in his application.
2) Your friend's statement wasn't well-articulated or substantiated with evidence.
3) Lack of his employer vouching for him actually led to denial, and OCSD is cracking down hard on carrying for business purposes.

[GlockN'Roll]

Deputy gave him examples and told him to revise his statement...

No where near number 1. Its more number 2.

update: Deputy gave him examples and told him to revise his statement and he will submit the new version for review, not a full out denial.

Just was told that if they proceed with current GC it will be denied based on deputies experience.

As renewal comes up for many of us, the examples of given by the deputy could be helpful.

Care to share these examples given him by the deputy?

[downdiver2]

As renewal comes up for many of us, the examples of given by the deputy could be helpful.

Care to share these examples given him by the deputy?

don't mind:

And to add employer contact is not a must if you put down employment duties as why. You will need to verify with paystub, job details, job contract, etc.

Added details suggested by deputy:

Your work - Do you deal with angry customers, do you escort them on or off your property? Could they come back? Do they have easy access to you or your facility (No security measures like a gate guard, etc).

Shooting recreationally - how much are your weapons worth? How many do you carry in your vehicle that could be stolen? Where do you shoot recreationally, is law enforcement near by? *I thought about this when he told me and thought "are they fishing for information?" But, I believe they want to know that you can be a target with how much value you have in your vehicle, if you choose to put shooting recreationally down.

[Browneye]

Look at this from the 500' level if you will...

Each CCW application file NEEDS to clearly document the reasons for carry and the background of the individual because that is what will have to hold up to scrutiny if the permittee, god help him, does something really stupid, or perhaps even has to actually use his firearm for defense.

If something happens to any of the permittees the first thing that's gonna happen is the anti's in the left-wing government are going to descend like vultures. OCSD absolutely has to make sure they have completely and thoroughly vetted their permit carriers.

Much as I hate to say it, as a 2A supporter, we are lucky to have a county in a mostly anti-2A state, grant permits to pretty much anyone that wants one and qualifies under the statutes. It is something I am extremely thankful for.

[WyGoSlw]

Look at this from the 500' level if you will...

Each CCW application file NEEDS to clearly document the reasons for carry and the background of the individual because that is what will have to hold up to scrutiny if the permittee, god help him, does something really stupid, or perhaps even has to actually use his firearm for defense.

If something happens to any of the permittees the first thing that's gonna happen is the anti's in the left-wing government are going to descend like vultures. OCSD absolutely has to make sure they have completely and thoroughly vetted their permit carriers.

Much as I hate to say it, as a 2A supporter, we are lucky to have a county in a mostly anti-2A state, grant permits to pretty much anyone that wants one and qualifies under the statutes. It is something I am extremely thankful for.

^^^ This is 100% correct.

[Roering]

Look at this from the 500' level if you will...

Each CCW application file NEEDS to clearly document the reasons for carry and the background of the individual because that is what will have to hold up to scrutiny if the permittee, god help him, does something really stupid, or perhaps even has to actually use his firearm for defense.

If something happens to any of the permittees the first thing that's gonna happen is the anti's in the left-wing government are going to descend like vultures. OCSD absolutely has to make sure they have completely and thoroughly vetted their permit carriers.

Much as I hate to say it, as a 2A supporter, we are lucky to have a county in a mostly anti-2A state, grant permits to pretty much anyone that wants one and qualifies under the statutes. It is something I am extremely thankful for.

This has been consistent with both my experience and those I talk to who have gone through the process here in Orange County. What the investigator is looking for in your good cause is substantiation. They will ask for information to substantiate your good cause so that their file on you provides a rock solid, thoroughly investigated, and substantiated reason for you to carry a firearm.

I think that this window of "Self Defense" applicants that have flooded their system has convinced our Sheriff of two things:
1. That a large increase of permit holders has not increased or caused any problems within the County.

2. Those who lined up to be granted a permit are not a bunch of in your face, tacticool vigilantes but ordinary folk from all walks of life who just want to take add'l measures to ensure their safety.