Los Angeles

[Paladin]

Agreed. Especially after seeing how quickly LE was overwhelmed in densely populated urban areas a short distance from law enforcement stations, and seeing people being dragged out of their cars and beaten.

If there ever were a time for calgunner participation to assist in getting ccw issued more frequently in LA, now is the time. The ccw standards may be subject to a slight change in a limited capacity, but at least ccw has been openly discussed in a public forum. Many people not in our community are seeing for the first time how dangerous things turn in a moment's notice. The public's interest in safety, including but not limited to ccw, is important to highlight. We need to be using those phone lines during these meetings or even calling directly outside of the meetings to ask about it; if they get enough calls they will have to at least take note of the call volume.

FWIW, this is my *guess* as to what happened. AV got elected saying he'd issue more than the incumbent (Dark Red) who, acc to the CA State Auditor, issued corruptly. AV said he would not issue as much as the other contender promised (Dark Green, SD = GC). AV won and promptly forgot about the issue. Then comes the CV19 and the lockdowns getting everyone antsy. The lid blows with BLM protests -> riots/looting. TONS of law-abiding people try and can't get CCWs (direct pressure on AV/LASD), so they say "Screw it! Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" and carry. Lots of LEOs finding lots of otherwise law-abiding people carrying w/o a permit. (This is why at the end of his CCW discussion AV says something like we want people to carry with permits or go through the permitting process.) PLUS, TONS of liberal celebrities/$$$ suddenly want guns too and carry them too. Both groups of people probably searched online first and came across the CA CCW GC map and were pissed LA is Dark Red (while surrounding counties green), and put pressure on AV too.

Bottom line: because of BLM, AV got caught with his pants down (not keeping his campaign promise) and now he's playing catch up to get on the everyone's (voters) good side by rushing CCW reform/liberalization through. What that will eventually look like I do not know (take LA Co to Light Red? At least. Yellow? Maybe. Light Green? Probably not at first since that means hundreds of thousands would be approved. That would require massive increase in budget, staffing (LEO and non), computers, building space, etc). I'd suggest watching LASD's CCW webpage and linked documents at least once/week: https://lasd.org/ccw_info.html

But that's just my best guess as to what's going on and what will happen since so many people ask publicly and via PM.

[baggss]

Wasn't there something about not needing to spend money till you're accepted? Is that still a part of the process?

So your going to pay something up front, how much depends on the agency but it's usually enough to pay for the start of the process. The PC says you cant be required to pay for training until you are approved.

Both groups of people probably searched online first and came across the CA CCW GC map and were pissed LA is Dark Red (while surrounding counties green), and put pressure on AV too.

Interestingly, multiple new Ca CCW groups have sprouted up on fb in the last 3 or 4 months. Lots of people have suddenly found some version of the map online and use it to ask questions. Whenever I see an old version I provide the latest one and a link the Forums here where map is located.

[Paladin]

https://www.facebook.com/LancasterSh...391796248/?d=n

Fantastic!

As has been pointed out, before discussing long LE response time, he said it was an example of Good Cause for LACo residents in "high desert." Why did he answer only for that area? Because the question he was asked was re. will he issue CCWs for people in the Antelope Valley. Why was he asked that? Because the virtual town hall was for Lancaster and Palmdale (both in Antelope Valley). IOW, we do not know what will pass for GC in the LA Basin.

But this is how he ends:

So I want to encourage you, if you believe you deserve one (i.e., a CCW), please apply for one. We've added additional personnel now to our CCW permit process to pick up the pace. And I know it's always been a burning issue and we're paying attention, we're making sure that those who should have one have the ability to get one with the proper permitting process.

All that bolding I added. It highlights what are radical statements from a sitting LA sheriff. ALL of them are positive. As I posted elsewhere, my GUESS is the fear of a SHTF scenario w/CV19 back in Feb, March, April, and May and then the BLM riots in June there's been non-stop inquiries and pressure re. issuing CCWs and he's finally responding by ramping up issuance.

Accepting "long LE response time" without specifying that you're at that location because you're a business owner or even an employee on the job is a Yellow GC. IMO, I think AV is taking LA Co from Dark Red to at least Light Red and I suggested to baggss that the CA CCW GC map be updated to that. If you have GC that would pass Dark Red or Light Red, now is the time to apply. If you have GC that would pass Yellow, I can't say you have a solid chance, but suggest you apply too if you can afford to waste the time and money ($10?) involved with getting a GC determination. If you do apply, please PM me as you go thru the process to keep me up to date with your progress. All correspondence kept in strict confidence. AFTER you've been issued or denied and exhausted appeals, post your experience on CGN to help other LA Co gunnies.

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[Stevo818]

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Excellent work!


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[prkcty]

To the best of our collective knowledge, being denied initially for GC alone won't prejudice an applicant for subsequent applications, right?

[Stevo818]

To the best of our collective knowledge, being denied initially for GC alone won't prejudice an applicant for subsequent applications, right?

[Paladin]

To the best of our collective knowledge, being denied initially for GC alone won't prejudice an applicant for subsequent applications, right?

Correct. They'll go by your current GC (and proof of it) vs their current GC standard.

Previous denial for lack of GMC will be an issue, but may no longer bar you. (E.g., denied within 3 years of a DUI. Reapply 7 years later and it isn't.)

[lastinline]

Changing the colors of that map might be a bit premature at this point; until there is proof that it is actually happening, it is the same. How many people submitted applications when Peruta looked promising?.....how did that work out?
Remember all the excitement when that was going on?....Yea right. Los Angeles didn't do squat except for taking people's money. That I think will happen again.

[Paladin]

Changing the colors of that map might be a bit premature at this point; until there is proof that it is actually happening, it is the same.

Re. AV's statements at the virtual town hall (all bolding added by me):

I know someone who is close to the sheriff and I will be verifying this. If it is true I will be applying for a permit.

I just got a text reply that "It's a topic they're working on."

I'll find out as much as I can tomorrow when I talk to the guy personally.

I talked to my daughter's fiance today about CCWs in LA County. We weren't able to have much of a conversation because the whole family was there celebrating Father's Day. Sheriff Villanueva wants to start accepting applications and is talking with others in the department about how to proceed. One issue is how to deal with the large number of applicants that they are anticipating. The sheriff said in a public address that anyone interested in applying should go the the LASD website and download the form, fill it out and mail it in or scan it into your computer and attach it to an email.

(The department's website has a list of requirements for applicants and as far as I know these requirements will not change. I'm going to remain positive about this because to my knowledge it's been years since any other sheriff has considered doing this.)

So, we have "insider" info saying it's an issue they're discussing inside LASD. IMO, that indicated it is not just PR BS.

How many people submitted applications when Peruta looked promising?.....how did that work out?
Remember all the excitement when that was going on?....Yea right. Los Angeles didn't do squat except for taking people's money. That I think will happen again.

The sheriff decides his policy, no one else. No one can force his decision to be reviewed by anyone else, unlike our 3-judge win which the loser appealed to CA9 en banc and got overturned.

Also, we have "the chicken and egg problem": if we don't change the color, no one applies so we never get "proof that it is actually happening" if it actually happens. Since the map says it may be off by 1 color, but not by 2, the map is still valid if we raise it from Dark Red to Light Red and it turns out there has been no change.

At this point, I'm thinking anyone who has Light Red GC (to know what that means, see post #31 at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924) should apply. If someone has Yellow, they should consider it if they really want a CCW and can afford to waste the time and money involved in applying and getting a GC determination (I think that's $10).

If AV was just BSing, we can always change the color on the map back.

While I'm primarily the intel guy and baggss the IT guy (but some intel too), he only makes a change when we both agree to the change and timing. That helps keep the map stable and avoids over enthusiasm on either of our sides from making premature changes (we're both pro CCW biased). But I just want to let you folk know now, before word gets out and there's a FLOOD of applicants, that IMO at least, if you have Light Red GC, go for it!

[gobler]

[emoji848] well, I'm in the disabled category with two transplants. I cannot fight off or run from younger, healthier people. A firearm is really the only force multiplier and as we've seen, police cannot be guaranteed to respond.

[Paladin]

[emoji848] well, I'm in the disabled category with two transplants. I cannot fight off or run from younger, healthier people. A firearm is really the only force multiplier and as we've seen, police cannot be guaranteed to respond.

Is your disability readily apparent to someone watching you stand/walk?

Have you been attacked since your disability? transplants? If so, did you report attacks? If "no" to all of that, you'd probably pass in Light Green, MAYBE Yellow.

[fluffygunguy]

The sheriff is live on Facebook right now and a v just said that they are increasing the amount of approvals for CCW and it's expected to go up 400%, and that they have increased staffing to accommodate the influx of applications. When they stop going live on Facebook, I will share the Facebook live link to that video. Sounds like promising news coming directly from AVS mouth..

[Paladin]

The sheriff is live on Facebook right now and a v just said that they are increasing the amount of approvals for CCW and it's expected to go up 400%, and that they have increased staffing to accommodate the influx of applications. Wednesday stop going live on Facebook, I will share the Facebook live link to that video. Sounds like promising news coming directly from AVS mouth..

Did he say anything re. what his Good Cause standard is?

[fluffygunguy]

He did say, it will not be shall issue though.

[fluffygunguy]

Paladin, he did not. He did say it will not be shall issue. He said he expects approvals to increase 400%.