Los Angeles

[Stevo818]

These is a list of the LAPD that agree with LASD to issue CCW, correct? If my local LAPD is not in this list, then I, probably, will get deny CCW application, correct?

CCW AGREEMENT
POLICE DEPARTMENTS DATE
1 Alhambra July 2013
2 Azusa April 2016
3 Baldwin Park July 2015
4 Bell Gardens July 2001
5 Beverly Hills March 2015
6 Claremont June 2016
7 Covina November 2016
8 Culver City October 2006
9 El Monte August 2014
10 Glendora September 2016
11 HunNngton Park January 2013
12 La Verne April 2016
13 Long Beach May-18
14 Monrovia March 2016
15 Montebello May 2017
16 Palos Verdes Estate March 2017
17 Pasadena Jun-19
18 Pomona May 2016
19 San Gabriel July 2014
20 Santa Monica April 2017
21 Sierra Madre July 2014
22 Vernon December 2016
23 West Covina April 2016
24 WhiTer August 2014
Updated on 6/29/20

[marcusrn]

My understanding is that business CCWs are "never" issued. I've never heard of someone getting one, although that doesn't mean it has never happened but... Re-applying every 90 days and valid only in the county of issuance - not a good deal. Not worthwhile to pursue it.

Apply in LA!

Before Peruta the SDSD suggested that I apply in Orange County because that was where I worked and was getting death threats. I new it was their way of telling me to leave their office and get away. Total act of disrespect and brazen rudeness. I asked the LEO I was dealing with how many CCW they had in files from Orange County. He embarrassingly replied, "none".
It has been my policy to always apply Q 2 yrs and to carry weight when needed regardless of carrying paper.

[Paladin]

First off, welcome newbie!

These is a list of the LAPD that agree with LASD to issue CCW, correct? If my local LAPD is not in this list, then I, probably, will get deny CCW application, correct?

CCW AGREEMENT
POLICE DEPARTMENTS DATE
1 Alhambra July 2013
2 Azusa April 2016
3 Baldwin Park July 2015
4 Bell Gardens July 2001
5 Beverly Hills March 2015
6 Claremont June 2016
7 Covina November 2016
8 Culver City October 2006
9 El Monte August 2014
10 Glendora September 2016
11 HunNngton Park January 2013
12 La Verne April 2016
13 Long Beach May-18
14 Monrovia March 2016
15 Montebello May 2017
16 Palos Verdes Estate March 2017
17 Pasadena Jun-19
18 Pomona May 2016
19 San Gabriel July 2014
20 Santa Monica April 2017
21 Sierra Madre July 2014
22 Vernon December 2016
23 West Covina April 2016
24 WhiTer August 2014
Updated on 6/29/20

I don't know about that list, or where you got it, so just use the official one linked on their website: https://lasd.org/wp-content/uploads/...NTS_062920.pdf

If my local LAPD is not in this list, then I, probably, will get deny CCW application, correct?

That list is, per the LASD webpage (https://lasd.org/ccw/#ccw_qual) "List of Police Departments in agreement with LASD for processing CCW licenses." If your residence is served by LAPD, you have to apply with them first. (I don't get what you mean by "my local LAPD." There's only one "LAPD": the Los Angeles Police Department.)

These other Los Angeles County cities listed above all have their own PDs but have entered into agreements with LASD to grant LASD exclusive authority for issuing CCWs to their own residents. (IOW, their CoPs have delegated their issuing authority to Sheriff Villanueva.)

To reiterate: if you live in one of those listed cities you do NOT have to apply with them first.

I think you're calling any LA county city's PD LAPD. Don't do that. LAPD is exclusively the City of Los Angeles' Police Department, not West Covina's (which is WCPD). Get it?

[Paladin]

The Sheriff had another virtual "town hall" on July 23rd, this one with The City of Commerce. CCWs came up a few times.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1601425170012138

~16 min to 18 min AV discusses Good Cause and CCWs. He specifically gives the example of a business owner going from client to client, customer to customer, and getting cash payments, or making cash deposits as the type of Good Cause he'd find acceptable. (By analogy, I believe he'd also issue for shooting instructors/RSOs, especially if they carry guns & ammo for their student clients, C&R, and FFL, maybe even someone who does regular, large eBay exchanges.) On the CA CCW GC map, that and similar GCs are Light Red, so that's one color better than what LA Co had been. AV: "All I'm asking for is a good reason why" you want to carry. IMO, that means he'd probably also issue for employees who do those same things, face the same risks, as business owners with the business owner's approval and acceptance of liability. If that is true, that means he's taking LA Co to Yellow. (In a previous video (discussed back ~June 15th), he said he'd issue to Antelope Valley residents who have long LE response times. That too is a Yellow GC.)

AV: "We do not want to have an impossible standard like previous administrations."

AV said he needs to trust you to approve you.

AV also mentions that their new CCW page went online that day.

~20 min he explains to a city councilman that a CCW is not needed to carry within your home, residence or place of business.

~25 min he explains that by state law he has the final word on issuing CCWs, not the Board of Supervisors.

~1 hr 13 min when someone asks about public safety during times of civil unrest, AV mentions how he has, among other things, Reserve officers to call upon to assist, and also mentions that people can get CCWs for their own safety. That is, frankly, stunning. I've NEVER seen a major urban CA CLEO/IA mention CCWs in re. to measures the public can take to ensure/increase their personal safety. IMO, that shows AV views CCWs the way we do, as a personal safety and public safety asset rather than as public safety threat.

We want as many LA Co gunnies to get CCWs ASAP so that, after a few years of issuing, going back to "virtual No Issue" won't be politically feasible regardless of whether Villanueva is re-elected or replaced.

[Forester]

First off, welcome newbie!


I don't know about that list, or where you got it, so just use the official one linked on their website: https://lasd.org/wp-content/uploads/...NTS_062920.pdf

That list is, per the LASD webpage (https://lasd.org/ccw/#ccw_qual) "List of Police Departments in agreement with LASD for processing CCW licenses." If your residence is served by LAPD, you have to apply with them first. (I don't get what you mean by "my local LAPD." There's only one "LAPD": the Los Angeles Police Department.)

These other Los Angeles County cities listed above all have their own PDs but have entered into agreements with LASD to grant LASD exclusive authority for issuing CCWs to their own residents. (IOW, their CoPs have delegated their issuing authority to Sheriff Villanueva.)

To reiterate: if you live in one of those listed cities you do NOT have to apply with them first.

I think you're calling any LA county city's PD LAPD. Don't do that. LAPD is exclusively the City of Los Angeles' Police Department, not West Covina's (which is WCPD). Get it?

I retrieved this list from the LASD CCW website and I'm not sure that I have to file a CCW to the local LAPD station that I belong too or not, for example my residency is belong to the LAPD North Hollywood station, so do I have to file this LAPD station only? Because the LAPD North Hollywood station is not on the list of the agreement with the LASD, so I expect they will definitely deny my application and if your local LAPD stations are on the list then they would probably approve your application. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[master lee]

I retrieved this list from the LASD CCW website and I'm not sure that I have to file a CCW to the local LAPD station that I belong too or not, for example my residency is belong to the LAPD North Hollywood station, so do I have to file this LAPD station only? Because the LAPD North Hollywood station is not on the list of the agreement with the LASD, so I expect they will definitely deny my application and if your local LAPD stations are on the list then they would probably approve your application. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunately you will have to apply to LAPD since they have their own gun unit that processes CCW applications for city of Los Angeles residents. Each station / division is a part of the LAPD as a whole. I believe you might have to call Gangs and Narcotics (213-486-5360) to set up an appointment to have your application reviewed by the detectives there. They are either located at PAB (headquarters) in downtown or central division.

[Paladin]

Another town hall was held 3 days ago. ~7 min in, AV talks about CCWs. He says they're streamlining the process as much as possible, have added "a couple" of personnel to the CCW unit to speed up the application process, says to bear with them as they put the new system in place.

The main thing that stands out to me is his matter-of-fact handling of the issue. He's not holding his nose, so to speak, as he talks about CCWs. It's just like this is a service we offer, we're going to issue them to a lot more people, so please be patient as we ramp up the process.

https://www.facebook.com/LosAngelesCountySheriffsDepartment/videos/588590465354415/

[Paladin]

Another video 2 days ago.

At ~18 min AV says he won't go to Shall Issue, he'll keep requiring Good Cause. Go to the website, you can apply if you think you're qualified.

Then, at ~19:30 min AV drops a bombshell. Someone asks him if there's fewer deputies and more criminals on the street, will you make it easier for law-abiding citizens get a CCW? "That is a very good question, Justin Ashton(?). I can guarantee you this, that as the budget situation changes and we start becoming defunded, the equation is going to change for CCWs, I promise you that. Okay? That's just my responsibility. I have to keep everybody safe."

(9) That may be the real reason AV reformed CCW process recently (and the 9th possible one I've listed): He's going to tell the BoS if you don't restore my budget, I'm going to really liberalize CCWs even more (SD = GC?)

https://www.facebook.com/LosAngelesCountySheriffsDepartment/videos/606790813545961/

Anyone know when the budget cuts are finalized?

[kflakes]

I thought the budget cut has been voted on and approved on June 29, 2020 according to this article: https://lasd.org/sheriff-villanueva-...o-be-affected/.

[Paladin]

I thought the budget cut has been voted on and approved on June 29, 2020 according to this article: https://lasd.org/sheriff-villanueva-...o-be-affected/.

Okay, but when does that budget take effect?

[kflakes]

Looking at the Final Budget Book from the previous years, it appears that the Los Angeles County fiscal year is from July 1st -June 30th, and the budget gets adjusted on October 1st.

Here's the Final Budget Book for 2019-2020: https://ceo.lacounty.gov/wp-content/...ook_upload.pdf

Here's the Final Budget Book for 2018-2019: https://ceo.lacounty.gov/wp-content/...y-Budget-1.pdf

So if I am not mistaken, it looks like the budget has taken effect beginning on July 1st, and it will be reviewed again for adjustments on October 1st.

[kflakes]

And this adopted budget chart was published on July 1st:

https://ceo.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-21-Adopted-Budget-Charts.pdf

[Big Jake]

If any of you honestly think that a discussion of the budget is actually going to make any difference in getting you a CCW in L.A. County you are sorely mistaken. I'm still waiting to eat that crow!

[Maverick237]

Another video 2 days ago.

At ~18 min AV says he won't go to Shall Issue, he'll keep requiring Good Cause. Go to the website, you can apply if you think you're qualified.

Then, at ~19:30 min AV drops a bombshell. Someone asks him if there's fewer deputies and more criminals on the street, will you make it easier for law-abiding citizens get a CCW? "That is a very good question, Justin Ashton(?). I can guarantee you this, that as the budget situation changes and we start becoming defunded, the equation is going to change for CCWs, I promise you that. Okay? That's just my responsibility. I have to keep everybody safe."

That may be the real reason AV reformed CCW process recently. He's going to tell the BoS if you don't restore my budget, I'm going to really liberalize CCWs even more (SD = GC?)

https://www.facebook.com/LosAngelesCountySheriffsDepartment/videos/606790813545961/

Anyone know when the budget cuts are finalized?

Paladin I gotta say I keep coming back to this thread for your posts. You're very much on top of this and your updates here are very informative.

Thank you!

OT though, I wonder if he's just saying that now until they adjust the budget but that won't be till October. Either people apply now before October (because if they announce that they'll restore some of the budget he could backtrack hard on this) or you wait till they don't do anything and then you can pretty much apply without a fear of denial being on record (although supposedly it does nothing aside having to let other agencies know you were denied for lack of GC). I have a fear it might be the former more likely because AV has had a record already of flip-flopping on gun issues.

[Paladin]

OT though, I wonder if he's just saying that now until they adjust the budget but that won't be till October. Either people apply now before October (because if they announce that they'll restore some of the budget he could backtrack hard on this) or you wait till they don't do anything and then you can pretty much apply without a fear of denial being on record (although supposedly it does nothing aside having to let other agencies know you were denied for lack of GC). I have a fear it might be the former more likely because AV has had a record already of flip-flopping on gun issues.

I PM'ed Maverick asking him to edit this post for clarity and this was his reply (bolding added by me):

I can't edit from my phone currently but I'll try.

Basically I'm wondering if he's being genuine with what he's saying about CCWs or if this is all just theater (including altering the policy) just to scare the Board of Supervisors and others to not reduce the LASD budget. Are there any signs of that?

Or does it seem like AV can't play the anti gun game anymore now that there a lot more informed people on current gun laws out there as well as businesses that struggled to stay safe during the riots?

Personally, I think AV's changes since June 15 are legit. There are too many and they are all consistent with liberalizing CCW issuance. (Since I've previously posted about them I won't repeat them here.) After June 15 I gave, IIRC, 6 possible reasons/motivations for the change, this latest one, using even greater liberalization of CCWs as a bargaining chip with the BoS is yet another.

Altering his CCW policy (including GC standard) is not "just theater." The published policy is what he is legally bound to obey when issuing or denying a CCW. Violating his own CCW policy is what got McDonnell in hot water with the CA State Auditor. The CSA is still watching LASD re. CCWs even after McDonnell was replaced by AV -- last year they gave AV another warning LASD was still not in compliance with state law.

A previous poster ~July 7th posted a link of an image of a memo from AV telling all stations how to accept CCW apps and how to process them (where to send them). After that, AV overhauled the CCW webpage, even getting rid of the old false info re. the CA Sup Ct requiring them to use their highly restrictive GC standard. During town halls, AV chooses what questions to answer and he's consistently chosen to talk about CCWs. So, personally, I'm confident these changes are legit. Once Los Angeles CGNers apply, get approved or denied, and then post about it on CGN we'll have verification.

It only costs $10 to get a GC decision. LA co has 10M people, 3x the next most populous county (SD at 3.3M). Why aren't TONS of CGNers saying they've applied? Good question.