Los Angeles

[Paladin]

Hmm. Most interesting.

So far, neither the Licensing Policy nor the CCW Policy have been updated/replaced at: https://lasd.org/ccw_info.html They both have his predecessor's restrictive GC language. I would think CGN's LA Co members would be climbing over themselves to find out if this is true....

For some perspective on how big this could be: usually, after Shall Issue (or in this case SD = GC), ~3-5% of the adult population gets CCWs. LA Co is ~10M. Let's say 8M are >21. 1% of 8M is 80,000. Let's go conservative: 3%, that's 240,000 CCWers! Right now, our state total is only >120,000, so that would be an increase of 200%

I can't wait to find out if this is true.

There was an article posted in a CA politics litigation and activism forum thread which I am referring to here.

Article from thread:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-15/reports-gun-laws-2nd-amendment-firearms-suicide-homicide

In the comments, someone wrote that AV would be issuing permits now because of the pandemic. The article commenter said the sheriff made the statement about ccw in a virtual town hall 3 days ago. I am looking for it but cannot find the town hall recording. Has anyone had luck verifying this?

Attached is the comment

[Big Jake]

There was an article posted in a CA politics litigation and activism forum thread which I am referring to here.

Article from thread:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-15/reports-gun-laws-2nd-amendment-firearms-suicide-homicide

In the comments, someone wrote that AV would be issuing permits now because of the pandemic. The article commenter said the sheriff made the statement about ccw in a virtual town hall 3 days ago. I am looking for it but cannot find the town hall recording. Has anyone had luck verifying this?

Attached is the comment

I'm holding my breath!

[CCWFacts]

Here's the full comment in text form:

What's funny about this article and topic in Los Angeles County is that the "Progressive's" choice for Sheriff, the infamous Alex Villanueva, who during the early stages of the COVID-19 Pandemic lockdown attempted to order the closing of LA County gun stores, under the false premise that he was doing so to protect pandemic lock-downed family members who would be killing each other at record levels with their newly purchased guns, twice, ultimately reversing his unconstitutional orders once he was hit with several lawsuits that will now cost the tax payers dearly in paying settlement loses very soon. Oh, and there were no cases of Sheriff Villanueva's bogus predicted domestic slaughter.

The formerly retired lieutenant who is now playing sheriff miscalculated once again and his ill-advised decisions blew up in his face, especially on his favorite Facebook, Twitter and Instagram social media platforms, as 2nd Amendment rights folks have hammered him relentlessly on virtually every posting that he makes. His fragile ego is unable to handle the daily abusive beatdowns and he is now cracking under the pressure.

Sheriff Villanueva, as he publicly announced today in his embarrassing and poorly run virtual town-hall meeting, is now promising to issue the once tightly controlled Concealed Carry Weapons permits (CCW's) to all who apply, and has even taken steps to build up staffing levels to process applications even though he doesn't have the budget to do so.

Why would Alex suddenly have such a dramatic change of heart and be okay with flooding the streets of La County with gun toting CCW permit holders? Well, as with anything Alex does, it's only to benefit himself. In this case, he can hide the fact that he has only been approving and issuing CCW's to "special donors" and now he can bury those special CCW permit holders amongst the common folks who will now be willing to vote for the struggling sheriff in the future in order to keep their treasured CCW permits, since Alejandro has completely lost the support of his progressive base who carried him into the office of the sheriff that he was and still is totally unqualified to hold.

So now, who is coming to research and expose the latest corrupt actions of Sheriff V?

Says posted 4 days ago, so June 16. The way their comments work, it doesn't let me easily find anything else posted by this same commentor so it's hard to judge, other than the post seems a bit of a rant and it's just an anonymous comment. Hard to believe that such an ultra-progressive as Sheriff V would do this, but... that doesn't mean it's impossible.

Edit: the only "town hall" type thing I could find from June 15ish was about the brutal murder of Robert Fuller by the Klan and it didn't say anything about CCWs.

Hilarious comments though, white woman calling up asking the sheriff about Neo Nazis in the sheriff's dept and about how they are discriminating in public housing. Yeah lady... it was a crazy homeless guy who killed himself, happens all the time, just usually not in such a dramatic way, but still.

I couldn't find any on June 16. The comment just says "4 days ago" and I'm not sure how it's counting days, so it could be referencing either the 15 or the 16, and again, I don't find anything from the 16th.

I think I found what the commenter might have been referring to: California's Concealed Carry Laws Enable Graft and Corruption, on a channel called Townhall Media, on the 16th, so that all fits. It's 25 minutes. He starts talking about the investigation into the Santa Clara Sheriff Smith, and her CCWs for sale program which the FBI is investigating. I forwarded through it and didn't find anything about the LA sheriff.

[Paladin]

Says posted 4 days ago, so June 16. The way their comments work, it doesn't let me easily find anything else posted by this same commentor so it's hard to judge, other than the post seems a bit of a rant and it's just an anonymous comment. Hard to believe that such an ultra-progressive as Sheriff V would do this, but... that doesn't mean it's impossible.

FWIW one of my sources PMed me early that evening saying AV said he'd liberalize issuance. I thought he was referring back to when AV said he'd issue more during the campaign. Now I see he was not, he was referring to this virtual town hall.

I'd LOVE to see an online video of that town hall to watch the relevant part myself and get an idea of when AV will make this change.

Plus, I noted there had been no change on LASD's CCW webpage's linked policies. I wonder if AV has already made the change, but is being coy about it, by not updating the materials, in order not to overwhelm his staff while they ramp up issuance?

If anyone is interested in a LASD CCW they might want to drop by or contact their CCW Unit to ask if/when any change in GC will be implemented.

[prkcty]

I understand the collective doubts about the idea of LA County liberalizing its issuance of CCW licenses. However, another calgunner in the original thread was very thoughtful and spoke to someone who also stated that CCW is a topic the Sheriff is working on.

The fact that it was acknowledged by a second person is something (if this is different from Paladin's source, it is a third source). If they are actively working on it, I do not believe it will come at lightning speed, since they have to staff up their CCW department which is probably comprised of two people at the moment. But who knows. If anything does change, as Paladin notes, there will be a flood of thousands of applications.

The real question is where is this video.

[Paladin]

... However, another calgunner in the original thread was very thoughtful and spoke to someone who also stated that CCW is a topic the Sheriff is working on.

Link?

[Paladin]

I just got informed by a CGNer that they have a "friend" who've been issued CCWs by AV. I'm awaiting further details and permission to post them (but not so much detail as to ID them). I'll be back online tonight.

[prkcty]

Los Angeles

Link?

LA Times calls for more gun control laws

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=17954&share_tid=1621858&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecalguns%2Enet%2Fcalgunforum%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D1621858&share_type=t&link_source=app

35-37

[bharp55]

I had a “Civilian Oversight Commission Town Hall” on my calendar from 6pm - 8pm on June 11th, but the WebEx link no longer works or has a replay.

[Paladin]

I just got informed by a CGNer that they have a "friend" who've been issued CCWs by AV. I'm awaiting further details and permission to post them (but not so much detail as to ID them). I'll be back online tonight.

Their friend lives in Glendora, which defers issuance of all CCWs to the LA Co Sheriff AV.

https://www.cityofglendora.org/departments/police/concealed-weapons-licensing

The CGNer's friend renewed their CCW last Nov. under AV and used "Self Defense" as Good Cause.

It sounds hard to believe, but that's what the CGNer said. They're a long time CGN member with thousands of posts. (IOW not a troll.)

ymmv

[gobler]

Ok, let's say for argument sake AV does start issuing CCW's. Do we need to go in person or can we call and have mailed an application package? AZ just mailed me one.

[9Cal_OC]

Ok, let's say for argument sake AV does start issuing CCW's. Do we need to go in person or can we call and have mailed an application package? AZ just mailed me one.

I can’t see LA operating at the efficiency of AZ. Either done online and submitted in person/mailed.

[Paladin]

I think this was the event, Monday, June 15, 2-4pm:

https://bit.ly/2XQ1JgF

Join Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva, Lancaster Sheriff's Station Captain Weber and Palmdale Sheriff's Station Captain Shaffer for conversation and dialogue regarding your community concerns.

There was another virtual town hall (with El Monte CoP), but it was on Thursday, the 18th, after the LATimes comment and after my source mentioned it to me.

If someone can track down the A/V or even just the audio online and post/link it here, that would be a tremendous help.

[prkcty]

I sent the AV times an email asking about access to the recording, will update if there is any news.

[seaweedsoyboy]

I sent the AV times an email asking about access to the recording, will update if there is any news.

Awesome, good call thank you!