Los Angeles

[9Cal_OC]

Well, you're a bright boy, you've identified the relevant issues: you're neither an owner or an employee of the company, despite your volunteer work for them. As a lawyer, ask yourself if something happened to you while helping them, would they be legally liable for you? As a son (daughter?) I can understand why you put yourself (and them) in this legally questionable position, but as a lawyer, why have you allowed it to remain thus???

My advice: become an owner along with them. If you do that, you have a reasonable (I won't say solid) chance of getting issued. If you only become an employee, I have no reason to believe AV will issue to you. He may or he may not (the latter the default setting for LACSD).

Of course, if that is not feasible, just wait along with the rest of us for SCOTUS to rule in NYSRPA and see what that transport case gives us re. carry ("bear"). We should find out before July 01. If it doesn't say much, there are about a half dozen carry cases (SCOTUS and CA9) suspended pending its decision. They will give us an answer. See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1486495

Be sure to go through all my posts in the following thread re. applying in CoCoCo: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

Solid info here. Also, from what I hear, LAPD May give you a better chance for issue compared to LASD.

[Paladin]

Solid info here. Also, from what I hear, LAPD May give you a better chance for issue compared to LASD.

Thanks.

9Cal_OC bring ups a good point: some cities within LA Co issue CCWs too. But you must live in an incorporated city with it's own police department and chief of police. If your city contracts with the sheriff for police services, they won't issue separately. If 2AmericanDream lives in a city with it's own PD and CoP, I'd apply with them first and get denied before applying with the sheriff.

Yes, LAPD issues more readily than LACSD.

But, frankly, the more I think about it, unless you have reason to think you'll be at increased risk in the next 3 months vs the last 3, I'd wait the less than 3 months until SCOTUS decides NYSRPA before doing anything.

In the mean time, practice situational awareness (Cooper's Color Code), every day carry (EDC) pepper spray and obey the 4-Stupids Rule (avoid going to Stupid places, avoid being around Stupid people, avoid doing Stupid things and avoid being out at Stupid times).

[Maverick237]

Yes, LAPD issues more readily than LACSD.

According to this -> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ermits/137623/

I really doubt LAPD issues more readily unless you want to count LAPD issuing 2 if LASD issued 0 or 1 (but I have a feeling LASD issued at least 2).

[Paladin]

According to this -> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ermits/137623/

I really doubt LAPD issues more readily unless you want to count LAPD issuing 2 if LASD issued 0 or 1 (but I have a feeling LASD issued at least 2).

That article is >1 year old. I just went to the court's records to see current status of Assenza and posted an update here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8#post24141018 Please contribute there if you have any more info/intel.

If we win Assenza, LAPD might have to follow the terms of that settlement to ALL otherwise qualified City of LA residents who apply for LAPD CCWs. In the City of LA, that will be many thousands of people! If you qualify under Assenza, you may want to have your application completely filled out and ready to submit at a moment's notice.

[Maverick237]

That article is >1 year old. I just went to the court's records to see current status of Assenza and posted an update here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8#post24141018 Please contribute there if you have any more info/intel.

If we win Assenza, LAPD might have to follow the terms of that settlement to ALL otherwise qualified City of LA residents who apply for LAPD CCWs. In the City of LA, that will be many thousands of people! If you qualify under Assenza, you may want to have your application completely filled out and ready to submit at a moment's notice.

Thank you Paladin!

I did read the settlement and came across this:

So unless I misread something it doesn't mean that CCW will become shall-issue but rather just it expands the type of good cause. Upon reading this it would make it seem like LA city would be bright red or yellow on the map. Even then I can imagine that restrictions will be placed on when you can use it if you opt for (b) or (d).

[Paladin]

So unless I misread something it doesn't mean that CCW will become shall-issue but rather just it expands the type of good cause. Upon reading this it would make it seem like LA city would be bright red or yellow on the map. Even then I can imagine that restrictions will be placed on when you can use it if you opt for (b) or (d).

Yep. In a city of 4,000,000 there must be thousands or even tens of thousands of security guards. If 0.5% are in that field, that's 20,000 CCWers! That's just those who qualify as security guards -- add in those who qualify under the other categories too.

If you qualify under Assenza, you may want to contact C.D. Michel, Esq., or an associate re. applying.

[Maverick237]

Yep. In a city of 4,000,000 there must be thousands or even tens of thousands of security guards. If 0.5% are in that field, that's 20,000 CCWers! That's just those who qualify as security guards -- add in those who qualify under the other categories too.

If you qualify under Assenza, you may want to contact C.D. Michel, Esq., or an associate re. applying.

Honestly I think I might be able to qualify for (d) but I don't know if I want to get the CCW just to have restrictions on it. In the article I mentioned the LAPD Chief did issue 2 CCWs but he placed restrictions on them so the 2 who had them could only carry them when they were transporting valuable property (in this case, machine guns).


Even then I think it might be a push to say that I'm "required" to transport said valuable property. In another scenario a firearm can be considered valuable property and although you have to pick it up from a gun store to take back home I'm not sure if a CCW is going to be issued for something like that. Yes there's no other way to transport it but they'll push you around by saying something like "you're not required to make that purchase".

[Big Jake]

Honestly I think I might be able to qualify for (d) but I don't know if I want to get the CCW just to have restrictions on it. In the article I mentioned the LAPD Chief did issue 2 CCWs but he placed restrictions on them so the 2 who had them could only carry them when they were transporting valuable property (in this case, machine guns).


Even then I think it might be a push to say that I'm "required" to transport said valuable property. In another scenario a firearm can be considered valuable property and although you have to pick it up from a gun store to take back home I'm not sure if a CCW is going to be issued for something like that. Yes there's no other way to transport it but they'll push you around by saying something like "you're not required to make that purchase".

You want a CCW? There is a very simple way of getting one. Move out of LA County to ANY county that borders LA County and you will get a CCW. Please don't say it can't be done because of work, family, home, etc. If you want one badly enough than move to a county that will issue. Discussing your chances of getting one in LA is a fool's errand as it simply won't happen. Period end of story!

[Paladin]

Honestly I think I might be able to qualify for (d) but I don't know if I want to get the CCW just to have restrictions on it. In the article I mentioned the LAPD Chief did issue 2 CCWs but he placed restrictions on them so the 2 who had them could only carry them when they were transporting valuable property (in this case, machine guns).


Even then I think it might be a push to say that I'm "required" to transport said valuable property. In another scenario a firearm can be considered valuable property and although you have to pick it up from a gun store to take back home I'm not sure if a CCW is going to be issued for something like that. Yes there's no other way to transport it but they'll push you around by saying something like "you're not required to make that purchase".

Your chief obviously does NOT want to issue, even under the Assenza settlement since he went to court to try to gut that.

If I were you, I'd wait to see what happens with NYSRPA case. We hope to get a win in that before July 01. That case might help us win a Right to Bear Arms, either directly or indirectly under other pending Carry Cases. Keep up with it at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1486495

If that doesn't work out, move just inside the border of the neighboring county closest to your place of work.

[Paladin]

Thank you Paladin!

I did read the settlement and came across this:



So unless I misread something it doesn't mean that CCW will become shall-issue but rather just it expands the type of good cause. Upon reading this it would make it seem like LA city would be bright red or yellow on the map. Even then I can imagine that restrictions will be placed on when you can use it if you opt for (b) or (d).

You should read over RoundEye's blog at:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/blog.php?bt=282

You may want to PM him for his thoughts/suggestions.

[2AmericanDream]

First off, welcome to Calguns and the fight for a Right to Bear Arms in this state.

Next, you've identified the relevant issues: you're neither an owner or an employee of the company, despite your volunteer work for them. As a lawyer, ask yourself if something happened to you while helping them, would they be legally liable for you? As a son (daughter?) I can understand why you put yourself (and them) in this legally questionable position, but as a lawyer, why have you allowed it to remain thus???

My advice: become an owner along with them. If you do that, you have a reasonable (I won't say solid) chance of getting issued. If you only become an employee, I have no reason to believe AV will issue to you. He may or he may not (the latter the default setting for LACSD).

Of course, if that is not feasible, just wait along with the rest of us for SCOTUS to rule in NYSRPA and see what that transport case gives us re. carry ("bear"). We should find out sometime in the next 3 months (before July 01). If SCOTUS doesn't say much re. carry in it, there are about a half dozen SCOTUS and CA9 carry cases suspended pending a decision in NYSRPA. Those cases will move the ball down field.
See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1486495

Be sure to go through all my posts in the following thread re. applying in CoCoCo: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

Since you're new, this is the CA CCW Good Cause map. The implications are worth pondering.

Since my parents are at about retirement age, it is a real possibility that i could end up with the business in my name
I will have a discussion with them.
If that does happen, then I will definitely make that my good cause for the CCW application.
If not, moving to a new city with its own police department is also possibility in the future

[Big Jake]

Since my parents are at about retirement age, it is a real possibility that i could end up with the business in my name
I will have a discussion with them.
If that does happen, then I will definitely make that my good cause for the CCW application.
If not, moving to a new city with its own police department is also possibility in the future

Its a possibility NOW if you want it badly enough!

[Paladin]

Of course, if that is not feasible, just wait along with the rest of us for SCOTUS to rule in NYSRPA and see what that transport case gives us re. carry ("bear"). We should find out sometime in the next 3 months (before July 01). If SCOTUS doesn't say much re. carry in it, there are about a half dozen SCOTUS and CA9 carry cases suspended pending a decision in NYSRPA. Those cases will move the ball down field.
See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1486495

SCOTUS punted and disposed of the NYSRPA case without deciding about our 2nd A R to Bear Arms. We're awaiting to see what they do with the half dozen or so cases that are pending that decision.

[Paladin]

If not, moving to a new city with its own police department is also possibility in the future

I just made a thread in the CCW Discussion forum for everyone who knows of any LA Co cities with their own PDs and that issue CCWs to make a post sharing their info. I put all of mine in the Opening Post.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=24198512#post24198512

[prkcty]

Los Angeles

There was an article posted in a CA politics litigation and activism forum thread which I am referring to here.

Article from thread:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-15/reports-gun-laws-2nd-amendment-firearms-suicide-homicide

In the comments, someone wrote that AV would be issuing permits now because of the pandemic. The article commenter said the sheriff made the statement about ccw in a virtual town hall 3 days ago. I am looking for it but cannot find the town hall recording. Has anyone had luck verifying this?

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