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[Aldo The Apache]

*post #2580*

Thanks for the reply, figured as much. Wouldn't want to get denied and then have to check the box that says that I've been denied in future applications. Guess I'll just wait a few more years before trying.

Yeah, apparently, I had an arrest back in ‘95 that I couldn’t for the life of me remember details for, however, I did write a statement of what I could remember. Wasn’t trying to hide it or omit the event. I was 14...14. And was prob the reason my, mostly certain, denial for CCW.

Update: I received my denial letter yesterday (10/22/21) 3 weeks after my 2nd interview (telephonic) with a different deputy (in person initially). Lack of “good moral character” was the reason for denial.

I’m curious though: “if your circumstances change, you may submit a new application…”

Hmm… how does one’s “good moral character” circumstances change? I mean is there something from my past I can change that satisfies their “good moral character” caveat?

Can’t figure out how to post the image of the denial letter. If you’re curious I can PM you the image.

[Paladin]

I have followed the huge increase in first time buyers, even among Democrats, and I agree that is great news for us, but after reading the article, yes, the writer moved on after taking notice of the increase in purchases and permits but his attitude was clearly that more people carrying is a bad thing and I don’t think AV changed that one bit. Hopefully, all of this will be moot after Bruen and we will never have to cross the bridge of psychological exams and their consequences.

Remember not only was the writer from the LA frickin’ Times (anti extremist), but they’re talking about L frickin’ A county: the “crown jewel” of counties, over 3x as populous as the next most populous county (SD), and as anti as SF (IIRC fewer than 500 CCWs for over 10,000,000 residents). Losing LAC is the single biggest and worst loss possible that can happen to antis in CA that doesn’t require a change of law. And the only defense the reporter can muster is a weak appeal to partisan politics? Ha! What a joke.

Gun politics is going our way. There’s still no serious attempts to change a Constitutional Carry state back. There’s still no serious attempts to change a Shall Issue state back to May Issue, much less No Issue. And this is before a SCOTUS ruling about the Right to Bear Arms. And within CA not one county that has gone “green” has flipped to non green. Gun politics, for at least Right to Carry, has been an unbelievable success for our side. As El Rushbo (RIP) used to say, “Be of good cheer.”

[Paladin]

After reading the article there is no doubt the writer has contempt for AV. I'm sure if he had his way he would have badgered AV about every issue.

[Paladin]

*post #2580*

Update: I received my denial letter yesterday (10/22/21) 3 weeks after my 2nd interview (telephonic) with a different deputy (in person initially). Lack of “good moral character” was the reason for denial.

I’m curious though: “if your circumstances change, you may submit a new application…”

Hmm… how does one’s “good moral character” circumstances change? I mean is there something from my past I can change that satisfies their “good moral character” caveat?

Can’t figure out how to post the image of the denial letter. If you’re curious I can PM you the image.

Did you read my CCW Application Advice thread pinned at the top of the forum before applying? If so, what indicators of good GMC did you provide?

PSA: “Not a Bad Guy” (no negatives, no previous felonies or violent misdemeanors) is a “C” for GMC, the minimally acceptable standard. If you have any “color” in your past, you’d better show you’ve changed with some actual positive indicators of GMC. See my Advice thread for more details.

[Paladin]

Thanks for the reply, figured as much. Wouldn't want to get denied and then have to check the box that says that I've been denied in future applications. Guess I'll just wait a few more years before trying.

I agree if you’re talking about a denial for lack of GMC. If you’re facing a denial for insufficient GC I’d give it a try.

PSA for newbies: LASD CCW Unit employees are known to read this forum. If you post sufficient details about yourself they can match what you post (on all of CGN) to your application.

[MajorCaliber]

That sucks, do you have any idea what the specific issue was, such as violations in your background, anything that was focused on in the interview?

[thethreegs]

N/A

[Mute]

This isn't a guarantee, but I'd recommend getting involved in more community service type of activities and getting letters attesting to your GMC by leaders of organizations that are involved in such activities. You went in cold, most likely without any such references and forgetting about the arrest even though you were just a kid gives the appearance of being less than forthright. Best of luck.

[Lockdown.-]

Aldo,

Did you read paladins advice thread three times? Can you tell us what you used for good cause? This way we can help you figure out where you ****ed up and get you on your way to your second application.

You can always use a service to write your good cause statement. Cuban changes like $75. Seeweed charged $150 or something and I charge $350 with a 100% success rate. I even include a free bleach service in there to prepare you for your meeting.

[Aldo The Apache]

That sucks, do you have any idea what the specific issue was, such as violations in your background, anything that was focused on in the interview?

Both initial in-person and telephonic deputies asked about an incident that happened in 1994 (I was 13 or 14 at the time, depending on the date). I submitted what I could recall on that incident but the details were fuzzy but gave a response to the best of my abilities.

Mind you this was 26-27 yrs ago. They asked if I remember if I was booked, finger printed, etc and I could not remember, explaining that I was probably too immature at the time to appreciate the gravitas of the situation and didn’t commit a lot to memory.

The telephonic deputy didn’t like my inability to remember and proceeded to give me an antidotal story of when she was 8 yrs old and how she can recall all or most of a particular situation involving police. I explained to her that I’m not omitting info, it’s on my application. However, I could not remember of what they’re asking of me. I also said people’s memories work differently on how, when and what is retained. Perhaps trauma? I don’t know. Point is, I did not withhold info, I just can’t remember details.

I almost felt like telling her at the conclusion of her antidotal story “good for you! I can bench 295, can you? See? We all have different abilities of what we can and cannot do, same goes with memory.” She was very snarky. Even gave me snark about my good cause explanation as if there’s a right or wrong answer. I didn’t know this was a true of false test…

First off, I am sorry to hear this. It would be great if you could provide some more details on your application. When did you apply, when did you interview, were you asked to live scan, were you ever asked to proceed to training? From what I can tell, you were a very early application. Did you hear nothing for like six months and you received the second interview call? EDIT: review of your posts, I can see you interviewed in late April and it seems you were not asked to live scan.

As for if your circumstances change, that's likely the generic statement they write in everyone's letter. The change that matters that would affect this, I am guessing, is if any policy changes on their end.

I applied around a year before being solicited to interview. $30 and some printed forms later, I had my interview in April of 2021. I met with deputy Smith at the Chatsworth bldg. The interview went smooth, submitted and orally presented my good cause and was questioned about an incident in 1994 and pretty much gave the same answer I gave the deputy that contacted me telephonically 5 months later (see response to “MajorCaliber” above). I was not given the green light to continue on with the application process as some gunners here said they had. Instead, I was told Deputy Smith doesn’t have the authority to do so and will be contacted in about 6-8 weeks pending review from “higher ups”.

Fast forward to 5 months and many emails and unsuccessful phone calls later (see response to “MajorCaliber” above).

I was not asked to live scan by either deputy upon interview conclusion. Instead, the denial letter was delivered to my mother’s address mind you. Which struck me odd since I had to prove my residency at the time of my initial interview back in April and I don’t live there. I reside in my own apartment with a different address….Hm.

This isn't a guarantee, but I'd recommend getting involved in more community service type of activities and getting letters attesting to your GMC by leaders of organizations that are involved in such activities. You went in cold, most likely without any such references and forgetting about the arrest even though you were just a kid gives the appearance of being less than forthright. Best of luck.

During my initial interview in April ‘21 with Deputy Smith, I brought a letter and certification of completion of Community Academy from the Glendale Police Department but he was not interested in making a copy of these documents or interested in what that involved. It was brushed aside without any other thought or interest on the matter.

Since Deputy Smith wouldn’t listen or interested in what that was, I’ll tell you gunners. Community Academy with Glendale PD required me and about 10 others to attend online zoom meetings with Glendale’s finest every Wednesday for 2 hours. They would bring in guests from other divisions like SWAT, K-9, homicide , white collar crimes etc etc and would be given insight of their roles within the department. There was a Q and A after the presentations. It was very interesting. It lasted for 2 months and was given certification of completion of the program at the conclusion of it.

If that’s not substantial, I don’t know what is.

Aldo,

Did you read paladins advice thread three times? Can you tell us what you used for good cause? This way we can help you figure out where you ****ed up and get you on your way to your second application.

You can always use a service to write your good cause statement. Cuban changes like $75. Seeweed charged $150 or something and I charge $350 with a 100% success rate. I even include a free bleach service in there to prepare you for your meeting.

I will contact you via PM

[Aldo The Apache]

Omitted. Double post.

[jrange3]

Omitted. Double post.

Why do you not just get it expunged? Under Calif law you can get them sealed if you meet these requirements:

You may be eligible to have your juvenile records sealed if all of the following are true:

You are 18 or older, OR five years have passed since the jurisdiction of the juvenile court terminated;
You have not been convicted of a California felony or a California misdemeanor involving moral turpitude as an adult; and
You were not convicted in juvenile court of one of a select list of particularly serious offenses (such as murder, torture or robbery) committed after you turned 14.

I would contact an attorney to do one of the two. I think expunged would be better. Sealing your juvenile criminal record will prevent prospective employers, state licensing agencies, lenders, landlords, and school officials from discriminating against you because of mistakes you made when you were young.

[Aldo The Apache]

Why do you not just get it expunged? Under Calif law you can get them sealed if you meet these requirements:

You may be eligible to have your juvenile records sealed if all of the following are true:

You are 18 or older, OR five years have passed since the jurisdiction of the juvenile court terminated;
You have not been convicted of a California felony or a California misdemeanor involving moral turpitude as an adult; and
You were not convicted in juvenile court of one of a select list of particularly serious offenses (such as murder, torture or robbery) committed after you turned 14.

I would contact an attorney to do one of the two. I think expunged would be better. Sealing your juvenile criminal record will prevent prospective employers, state licensing agencies, lenders, landlords, and school officials from discriminating against you because of mistakes you made when you were young.

[MajorCaliber]

Why do you not just get it expunged? Under Calif law you can get them sealed if you meet these requirements:

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I would contact an attorney to do one of the two. I think expunged would be better. Sealing your juvenile criminal record will prevent prospective employers, state licensing agencies, lenders, landlords, and school officials from discriminating against you because of mistakes you made when you were young.

Expungement may be helpful with employers, but I don't think it will help with a CCW. LASO already has all the info and I would bet they look at the file from this application when you submit your next. Whatever is there can't be hidden now. I wonder if you got a copy of your record from that incident if the details she was looking for are in there and reviewing it would refresh your memory for the next time. I'd just submit the whole thing as an attachment to your next application.

On a related note I think the grilling you got over your memory of the events seems unnecessary and may just be unique to her. Next time they may not care. I would think all that would really be relevant to your GMC is what you actually did not any of the subsequent events or details of what other people did in response, nor the clarity of your memory about those details. I would think details of if you were booked or fingerprinted would be in the record of that incident. I wonder if she had them and this was some test of truthfulness, or if it was the details themselves that mattered to her.

[LrdVaderZ]

Expungement may be helpful with employers, but I don't think it will help with a CCW. LASO already has all the info and I would bet they look at the file from this application when you submit your next. Whatever is there can't be hidden now. I wonder if you got a copy of your record from that incident if the details she was looking for are in there and reviewing it would refresh your memory for the next time. I'd just submit the whole thing as an attachment to your next application.

On a related note I think the grilling you got over your memory of the events seems unnecessary and may just be unique to her. Next time they may not care. I would think all that would really be relevant to your GMC is what you actually did not any of the subsequent events or details of what other people did in response, nor the clarity of your memory about those details. I would think details of if you were booked or fingerprinted would be in the record of that incident. I wonder if she had them and this was some test of truthfulness, or if it was the details themselves that mattered to her.

Unless that specific deputy is more interested in NOT letting people through her filter so to speak