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[Usual_Suspect]

Why build your own? Because everyone starts out thinking they are smarter than the developers of any existing systems, or the existing systems are not quite perfect. So they go for perfect when good enough will do. It takes longer to get there, because whoever is in-house is usually not as good a programmer as someone in the private sector, and when they find out how hard it is, it just takes longer and longer. Plus once they are done, only the guy who developed it can fix it. Job security.

Buy something off the shelf, get it up and running and then lobby the company for any specific needs you have. They may even like your idea or request and make it available across the customer base. Also having a customer base spreads out development and upgrade costs compared to in-house processes.

this is typical government or other organizations who are just ‘too special” to buy something from off the shelf.

“Your tax dollars at work.”

The Sheriff can't just go out and buy software off the shelf. They have to show why they need it, why it should not go out to the open bid process and be sole sourced. Once they get through all the hoops, they have to go through the budgeting and procurement process. Since the BoS isn't Sheriff friendly, chances are they won't approve the funding, or allow the sole sourcing since they are not CCW friendly either and will do everything to slow the process down. It's easier for the Sheriff to develop it in house with existing Staff, or use Staff from another Project that has some padding it in it. If he uses inhouse or buries it in another project, he doesn't have to ask the BoS for anything. While it may not be ideal, it's better than wasting time knowing it will likely get shot down by the BoS. This isn't all that complex, a database, some fields and a web front end. The Sheriff already owns 2 different workflow products they can leverage, and can also write the wsi api's to interface to other systems to automate tasks in the background.

[No.11]

The Sheriff can't just go out and buy software off the shelf. They have to show why they need it, why it should not go out to the open bid process and be sole sourced. Once they get through all the hoops, they have through the budgeting process. Since the BoS isn't friendly, chances are they won't approve the funding, or allow the sole sourcing since they are not CCW friendly either. It's easier for him to develop it in house with existing Staff, he doesn't have to ask the BoS for anything. While it may not be ideal, it's better than wasting time knowing it will likely get shot down by the BoS.

VaderZ or seaweed, you guys aren't software developers or web designers by any chance are you?

[Lockdown.-]

I made a website on Geocities, once.

Does that count

[Immortal547]

You guys seem to have overlooked that I NEVER said to suggest the neighbor, etc interviews. I ONLY suggested the same psych eval his deputies have to take. That will placate the press too. In exchange for issuing for LG and DG GCs or just accepting SD/PP = GC, a psych eval is worth it.

Absolutely not. They would have to administer it across the board. We are not applying to be deputies. We are applying to get a CCW. Totally different things. Once you allow one modification to GMC you are setting a precedent for other things like interviewing neighbors. GMC is a clean background check, period.

[Immortal547]

Surprising that in a county with a population of 10 million, only 7500 have applied.

[Paul49]

The Sheriff can't just go out and buy software off the shelf. They have to show why they need it, why it should not go out to the open bid process and be sole sourced. Once they get through all the hoops, they have to go through the budgeting and procurement process. Since the BoS isn't Sheriff friendly, chances are they won't approve the funding, or allow the sole sourcing since they are not CCW friendly either and will do everything to slow the process down. It's easier for the Sheriff to develop it in house with existing Staff, or use Staff from another Project that has some padding it in it. If he uses inhouse or buries it in another project, he doesn't have to ask the BoS for anything. While it may not be ideal, it's better than wasting time knowing it will likely get shot down by the BoS. This isn't all that complex, a database, some fields and a web front end. The Sheriff already owns 2 different workflow products they can leverage, and can also write the wsi api's to interface to other systems to automate tasks in the background.

[Mute]

In my case he was overly focused on me, so when I mentioned that due to my father's condition, I have to be by his side almost constantly and consequently we'd be unable to withdraw to avoid any kind of escalation of anything, he wasn't even remotely interested, even though I brought hospital papers showing the CABG

Now that you've mentioned this, it may be an indicator as to why you were denied. The deputy may have gotten the impression (right or wrong) that you intend to make it stand in any and all circumstances and have no desire to de-escalate or avoid a violent outcome. Again, I'm not saying that's your intention but that may be the impression that the deputy got and reported in his interview assessment. Just some food for thought.

[jrange3]

I think the psych interviews are a bad idea. Adding another subjective, non-transparent part to the process is a step backward and subject to all kinds of shenanigans. Also, who would do he interviews? How many psychologists are currently on LASO's approved list for deputies? How much longer will the process get delayed when those few get deluged with an additional thousand applicants per month? It's just one more bottleneck. Also consider what happens to those who fail for whatever subjective reason. What keeps the next sheriff on his own, or the current BOS passing a law to the effect that now that they have "proof" you are "not safe with a gun", instant Red Flag gun confiscations for all. Do not underestimate the power of these exams to be used for nefarious purposes.

The City of Downey requires 3 signed letters of character and a psychological test if deemed necessary. As a side note since the start of covid no CCW's have been issued as they use internal finger printing and it has been closed.

[LrdVaderZ]

Now that you've mentioned this, it may be an indicator as to why you were denied. The deputy may have gotten the impression (right or wrong) that you intend to make it stand in any and all circumstances and have no desire to de-escalate or avoid a violent outcome. Again, I'm not saying that's your intention but that may be the impression that the deputy got and reported in his interview assessment. Just some food for thought.

I get what you are saying. I think my biggest mistake was thinking that mix of reasons would add to GC. After all, right after I got home, I emailed him the proof of me being paid for my professional services (which he never acknowledged). As well as touched off on LG concerns as well as tried to explain to him the LR issues, like having to often instead of fixing the PC on site, I do have to pick it up and take it back, so I can work on it, etc.

[seaweedsoyboy]

As much as we feel like there has been a stagnation in issuance,

based on the graphs, it looks like LASD is issuing at a pretty consistent rate.

https://imgur.com/a/bIx61Hl

If you get excel to generate the equation(s) of the line(s) then differentiate and plot the new equations(s) I think that would give a good picture of the relative month to month rate of issuance

VaderZ or seaweed, you guys aren't software developers or web designers by any chance are you?

[SavageShooter40]

The City of Downey requires 3 signed letters of character and a psychological test if deemed necessary. As a side note since the start of covid no CCW's have been issued as they use internal finger printing and it has been closed.

Downey has an MOU with LASD.

[jrange3]

Downey has an MOU with LASD.

Thank goodness for this.

[Paul49]

Would anyone participate in a fundraiser (ie donate), if one were organized, to supplement the lack of CCW Unit funding?

[jrange3]

Downey has an MOU with LASD.

I was trying to find out how many the City of Downey has issued, and not have had any luck finding the number. One time I was revered to Downey City Hall. I figure it is 0.

[seaweedsoyboy]

Not necessarily. The fundraiser could be conducted and established in conjunction with a non-profit like the LA Sheriff's Foundation, whose purpose is to dedicate funds/equipment/training to the LASD where they otherwise lack sufficient resources from the state/county. The non-profit could interface with the Sheriff/LASD personnel to identify the most pressing deficiencies afflicting the CCW Unit, approximate the capital needed to mitigate/rectify those deficiencies, then aggregate/donate those funds once the goal is met.

That's very different than a for-profit company directly exchanging in goods that benefit the Sheriff/Deputies on a personal level.