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  • Aldo The Apache
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 1402

    Originally posted by MajorCaliber
    Expungement may be helpful with employers, but I don't think it will help with a CCW. LASO already has all the info and I would bet they look at the file from this application when you submit your next. Whatever is there can't be hidden now. I wonder if you got a copy of your record from that incident if the details she was looking for are in there and reviewing it would refresh your memory for the next time. I'd just submit the whole thing as an attachment to your next application.

    On a related note I think the grilling you got over your memory of the events seems unnecessary and may just be unique to her. Next time they may not care. I would think all that would really be relevant to your GMC is what you actually did not any of the subsequent events or details of what other people did in response, nor the clarity of your memory about those details. I would think details of if you were booked or fingerprinted would be in the record of that incident. I wonder if she had them and this was some test of truthfulness, or if it was the details themselves that mattered to her.
    I applied for LASD a while back, and went to great lengths to retrieve and divulge any and every bit of information I can muster up for my PHS submittal. That also included my juvenile records which were destroyed and have a letter from Juvenile Court Records in Sylmar, CA stating so. I could not find any details from that time frame except for a P.C. And number which I looked up even though the note next to the P.C. States “no charges filed by D.A.”

    I don’t know why I was reinterviewed for the same application. Unless of course they lost my initial application. Which probably also explains why they sent the denial letter to my mother’s address rather than my own. I really want to have faith in the system but it’s wearing me out to the point of thinking it’s all corrupt and not transparent.
    Last edited by Aldo The Apache; 10-23-2021, 5:35 PM.
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    • jrange3
      Member
      • Jun 2020
      • 101

      Originally posted by Aldo The Apache
      I applied for LASD a while back, and went to great lengths to retrieve and divulge any and every bit of information I can muster up for my PHS submitter. That also included my juvenile records which were destroyed and have a letter from Juvenile Court Records in Sylmar, CA stating so. I could not find any details from that time frame except for a P.C. And number which I looked up even though the note next to the P.C. States “no charges filed by D.A.”

      I don’t know why I was re interviewed for the same application. Unless of course they lost my initial application. Which probably also explains why they sent the denial letter to my mother’s address rather than my own. I really want to have faith in the system but it’s wearing me out to the point of thinking it’s all corrupt and not transparent.
      I would talk to an attorney as I searched and it said:

      Once expunged, such records cannot be accessed for general law enforcement or civil use. However, under certain exceptional situations, the expunged records can be searched, retrieved, and used, but this occurs only in exceptional circumstances which normally require a court order or statutory authorization.

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      • Aldo The Apache
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 1402

        Originally posted by jrange3
        I would talk to an attorney as I searched and it said:

        Once expunged, such records cannot be accessed for general law enforcement or civil use. However, under certain exceptional situations, the expunged records can be searched, retrieved, and used, but this occurs only in exceptional circumstances which normally require a court order or statutory authorization.
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        • LrdVaderZ
          Member
          • Oct 2020
          • 379

          I am not sure if/how they'd record your ccw failure, it's not a crime to apply and flunk of GMC. So, if the thing is expunged, for all intents and purposes, it didn't happen
          *AZ/UT Permits*
          Picked up California one 6/2/23

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          • Aldo The Apache
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 1402

            Originally posted by LrdVaderZ
            I am not sure if/how they'd record your ccw failure, it's not a crime to apply and flunk of GMC. So, if the thing is expunged, for all intents and purposes, it didn't happen
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            • jrange3
              Member
              • Jun 2020
              • 101

              Looks like you do not need a Lawyer:

              To have your juvenile records sealed, you need to complete and file a petition in the county court where your juvenile conviction or proceedings were held. The process of sealing your juvenile record will take about eight to ten months to complete. An Attorney may be able to speed it up...friendly judge.

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              • Immortal547
                Member
                • Apr 2020
                • 368

                I’m about 10 years older than you and have a juvenile records as well resulting from something I did around the same age as you. I fully disclosed it on my app and disclosed it to my deputy as well. Only thing he wanted to know was what it was for and what was the outcome. Juvenile records are sealed and they can’t view it. At most it will show you have a record and the disposition but that would only be to government agencies unless it was for something like murder, rape, or something similar. That’s why they asked you for details because they can’t view the file. Both My buddy and I who have the same record was issued. No, I didn’t have any community service or volunteer work or any such thing. Do you have any other black marks against you? A lot of speeding tickets, Drunk driving, etc?
                LA County CCW Holder

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                • Aldo The Apache
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 1402

                  Originally posted by Lockdown.-
                  Aldo PMed me his good cause.

                  He deserved the denial. Move on now.
                  Not sure how you came to that conclusion since GC was never checked as the reason for denial but rather GMC.

                  It was a pretty scathing PM. Someone needs to push that tampon out their arse.
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                  • jrange3
                    Member
                    • Jun 2020
                    • 101

                    Originally posted by Aldo The Apache
                    Not sure how you came to that conclusion since GC was never checked as the reason for denial but rather GMC.

                    It was a pretty scathing PM. Someone needs to push that tampon out their arse.
                    Seems more and more that here you do not get advice. Just go read or pay. I thought this forum was to help you get a CCW and answer questions or give advice. Guess I was wrong. This will be my last post here. And those who say boo who who leave...look in the mirror and remember when you were new.
                    Last edited by jrange3; 10-27-2021, 11:06 AM.

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                    • MajorCaliber
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 1018

                      Originally posted by Aldo The Apache
                      Not sure how you came to that conclusion since GC was never checked as the reason for denial but rather GMC.
                      I wondered the same thing.

                      So ultimately, ALDO, do you think the issue with that deputy was the nature of what you did, or your lack of recall about the after incident procedures?
                      I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                      The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                      • igs
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 941

                        Originally posted by Aldo The Apache
                        Not sure how you came to that conclusion since GC was never checked as the reason for denial but rather GMC.
                        Maybe the GC so was bad they attributed it to GMC? Mind sharing what the GC was?
                        ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                        • Gnzrme
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 908

                          This is good news for me as my GC centers around my job, but since I work on County property, I cannot carry at my work. However, I still need to get to and from work.

                          Will see, still crickets on my end, but since answering all the lack of caller ID call's, its seems that its getting worse and more keep calling....

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                          • MajorCaliber
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 1018

                            Originally posted by Gnzrme
                            This is good news for me as my GC centers around my job, but since I work on County property, I cannot carry at my work. However, I still need to get to and from work.
                            Were you questioned about your plan for parking and storing your gun while at work?
                            I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                            The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                            • LARES
                              Member
                              • Aug 2020
                              • 234

                              GC: Yellowish/Light Green
                              App submitted: 4/15
                              Check cashed: 4/23
                              Call for interview: 7/21
                              Interview: 7/27
                              Livescan: 8/2
                              CA/FBI complete: 8/2
                              Firearms Complete: 8/21
                              Training email: TBD

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                              • MajorCaliber
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 1018

                                LOL,I was just getting ready to ask when I read that. Frankly, I'm surprised.
                                I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                                The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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