why do so many come in here and BASH COPS

[Kestryll]

SIR, YES SIR!

GOOD ANSWER!!

Now tell me why I can't see my reflection in those shoes!!

[Fire in the Hole]

I don't bash cops here, I put that in the off-topic section!

I've had a Livermore officer perform an illegal search on my property, and cause damage... thus far has been unresolved.

I've had my truck SHOT (at home in Livermore), and the officer that arrived refused to file a report.

My girlfriend and I were out to dinner (in Concord), when the truck was vandalized, and her phone, my camera, and some ammo and tools were stolen. We filed this report online to Concord PD, and it was rejected.

And that has been my experience with local "law enforcement" just over the last couple of years. I'm very unhappy with them, as I could only assume that you too would be if you've gone through the same stuff.

I'm sure that your post wasn't just for venting your dislike, or frustration with a government agency; becase that would violate Rule #3, which I'm sure you've read and agreed to abide to. So what exactly is your direct non-hypothetical question for the LEO's on this forum. I was unable to find a question mark (?) at the end of any of your sentences, but I want to give you the benifit of the doubt. What question that I might knowledge of, and that I can speak intelligently with you about, do you want to ask?

[yzErnie]

I don't bash cops here, I put that in the off-topic section!

I've had a Livermore officer perform an illegal search on my property, and cause damage... thus far has been unresolved.

I've had my truck SHOT (at home in Livermore), and the officer that arrived refused to file a report.

My girlfriend and I were out to dinner (in Concord), when the truck was vandalized, and her phone, my camera, and some ammo and tools were stolen. We filed this report online to Concord PD, and it was rejected.

And that has been my experience with local "law enforcement" just over the last couple of years. I'm very unhappy with them, as I could only assume that you too would be if you've gone through the same stuff.

Here's a bit of information you may not know. There is no mandate by statute for an LEO or employees of a law enforcement agency to take a report of a crime that has occurred. It is the expectation of the public that we take reports but it is not mandated.

While it seems you have had some frustrating incidents with Livermore and Concord P.D.'s, for you to throw a blanket of negativity over all of law enforcement is, IMO, unwarranted bias on your part. That would be like saying that everyone who lives in Oakland is a Crip or a Blood...simply not an accurate description of reality.

I'll be the first to admit there are some loose cannons in law enforcement these days but I gaurantee you there are far more good ones then bad. Those of us who have been around for a while take the younger group and try to educate them. If they don't want to get in line, and I am only speaking for me, I'll sit back and smile as I watch them tube their careers.

[geeknow]

Yep. Pretty much.

I'm going to go on my soap box for jsut a couple of seconds here so bear with me please. These comments do not apply to everyone here. Only to a select few. Take a moment to ponder them.

The LEO's and attorneys that are members of this forum share a "like mind" wiht the rest of you. We are here to participate, answer your questions, and obtain information that we can not get elsewhere. OLL's for instance. We support the second ammendment. We support CCW. We support firearm shooting and ownership. We may be the silent minority, but we do come here to help and get help. Why then do certain menbers of this forum take advantage of their annonimity to insult, chastise, criticise, and berate us? We are on you side. When you do these things to us, you are not fostering a partnership between us. You are driving a wedge between us. How can any LEO or attorney objectively answer how you were falsely arrested, wrongfuly charged, maliciously prosecuted, and incorrectly found guilty, without a full review of the minute details of your particular case. How can I correctly discuss the height vs weight ratio of a given LEO?

In closing, remember when you seek free legal advice; you get what you pay for.

Thank you for your kind attention.

This, in my opinion, is the type of exchange that we should all strive for. Further, I will theorize that if we applied these words PRIOR to entering into a LEO/ non-LEO discussion, we would all have made great strides in eliminating the "wedge" noted above. For the record, I do absolutely believe that this "wedge" mentality exists (on both sides), for all the wrong reasons, and much to the detriment of us all...

as this is a free opinion forum, you have just received mine...

[Fire in the Hole]

Base to AaronHorrocks, Base to AaronHorrocks, Come in AaronHorrocks. Over.

[SVT-40]

Thank You. Fortunately, I'm no longer confined. I've been in the field for a long time and I love it.

J-cat, Seriously Since you do not work for a Police dept, Sheriffs dept or CHP You really get zero experience in really dealing with common search and seizure issues.

It's a different ball game when you are on patrol actively looking for violations of the law, or POTENTIAL law violations. Working for the CDC you deal with wards of the state. They have no rights or limited rights in dealing with searches.

Police Deputies and the CHP deal with these complex search and seizure issues each and every citizen contact.

J-cat I mean no disrespect to you by my following statement.

I think you do a disservice to the members here and run the risk of giving out bad advice because of your lack of real experience in dealing with day to day search and seizure issues.

Now if there is a question regarding the rights of a ward of the state, You would be the man for the answer. Just not answers for day to day police work issues.


Each case is different.

It's up to each officer to justify his actions when writing a crime report. He must include all his Probable cause so his case is filed by the D.A.'s office.

It's my opinion that a reasonable officer COULD most likely be justified in a quick check of what appeared to him to be a illegally configured assault weapon anywhere. Ranges included.

The contact with the individual with the rifle could take only seconds to determine the rifles legality.

Most of the delay in the contact would probably come from the subject being checked if he causes problems or acts in an unreasonable way. Thus prolonging the contact.

[GUNMANN]

People are People, regardless of their job title even though we hold LEO at a higher standard..... don't stereo type. Be fair and evaluate each as an individual and the CHP for the 67 in a 65 is a pathetic performance of his job....

[AaronHorrocks]

I'm sure that your post wasn't just for venting your dislike, or frustration with a government agency; becase that would violate Rule #3, which I'm sure you've read and agreed to abide to. So what exactly is your direct non-hypothetical question for the LEO's on this forum. I was unable to find a question mark (?) at the end of any of your sentences, but I want to give you the benifit of the doubt. What question that I might knowledge of, and that I can speak intelligently with you about, do you want to ask?

Here's a question: What else can I do?

What should I do about my damaged property?
How can the police get away with rejecting the report of stolen property (including AMMO)? can I do anything else????

While it seems you have had some frustrating incidents with Livermore and Concord P.D.'s, for you to throw a blanket of negativity over all of law enforcement is, IMO, unwarranted bias on your part. That would be like saying that everyone who lives in Oakland is a Crip or a Blood...simply not an accurate description of reality.

I have done no such thing. Infact my list of problems with the Livermore PD is about 3 times longer. I have a bunch of dirt on the Hayward PD too. I've never "thrown a blanket of negativety" over all LEOs, and my bias is well earned and warrented - backed by experience and facts.

I have been pulled over twice in Colorado by the Sheriffs Department, and both times they were courteous and helpful, and also let me go without a ticket. My dealings with locals however, have been much more of the tone "why are you bothing me?"

[Fire in the Hole]

I agree that warrantless bashing of LEOs is rude, uncalled for, and should be proscribed. Nevertheless, I think Calguns should promote a healthy, but respectful, give-and-take between LEOs and the citizenry they are supposed to serve.

Well it's hard to take a contrary viewpoint with your statement. I do believe that there should be mature, patient, and diplomatic discussion and even debate here. For the non-LEO's that come here to ask questions like, "Why did Officer X arrest me, and then lie about it at trial?" Can not be intelligently answered here, so don't waste your and our time with such enquiries. They serve no useful purpose at all.

For those who still insist on just venting, or getting something off their chest, may I refer you to this website.

https://www.pissandmoan.com

Yes, it's a real website.

[6172crew]

Here's a question: What else can I do?

What should I do about my damaged property?
How can the police get away with rejecting the report of stolen property (including AMMO)? can I do anything else????





I have done no such thing. Infact my list of problems with the Livermore PD is about 3 times longer. I have a bunch of dirt on the Hayward PD too. I've never "thrown a blanket of negativety" over all LEOs, and my bias is well earned and warrented - backed by experience and facts.

I have been pulled over twice in Colorado by the Sheriffs Department, and both times they were courteous and helpful, and also let me go without a ticket. My dealings with locals however, have been much more of the tone "why are you bothing me?"

Im not a cop but I have had good luck using them when I needed reports. Id say a phone call to the desk SGT or LT could explain why they don't or didn't take a report. Being polite should be the only rule to stick to, even if your frustrated.

I called one time about some kids down at the elementary school after 9 pm and a dispatcher asked me "so what do you want me to do about it?"

I explained that 3 nights before they whipped the crap out of one of the kids and when I jumped into help about 5 of them came after me, (they are all 10-13 years old) and I want them to come down and tell the kids to get off the school grounds.

She responded "ok". Sounded weird to me that she didnt want to dispatch a car to enforce the laws being on the grounds after hours but I guess maybe she was thinking what the hell else are these kids supposed to do.

Also the kid that got beat was friends with the others and it was some kind of gang or fight club deal. In the town of Clayton/Concord so it was kinda funny to think about it after.

[Ron-Solo]

Here's a question: What else can I do?

Hmmmm............How about, "Go Away?"

If you have specific issues with an individual officer or Department there are proper channels for that. You won't solve them here.

[Ron-Solo]

I'm not a CO.

Possession of an unregistered handgun is illegal too.

Oh really, show me where it says that.

[Ron-Solo]

Your argument is ridiculous.

A machinegun is illegal period.

Oh really? I just went shooting last month with a private individual in California who has over 100 machine guns. All LEGAL !

So are silencers.

See above

These are obviously illegal characteristics. An AW is not illegal if it is registered. The same goes for handguns.

Show me where it says handguns have to be registered.

Do you think you have the right to run every handgun at the range to see if it is registered?

If I have reasonable suspicion that there is criminal activity going on, yes, I can run it. The need to run 'every handgun' is highly unlikely and would definitely be a unique situation.

While permits to have machineguns and silencers are extremely hard to get, they can be obtained.

[Ron-Solo]

I expect, as do the courts, the officer to know the AW law before jamming someone over a 30-round mag with a bullet button.

In case you didn't know, putting a 30 round magazine in an OLL (with other evil features) makes it an illegal assault weapon.

If you had a legally registered AW, why in blazes would anyone put a bullet button on it? If you didn't have other evil features, you wouldn't need it either.

(No disrespect to the designers of the Bullet Button and similar devices - You guys are up for sainthood in my book)


Please stop spreading mis-information.

[Ron-Solo]

I'm not a CO.

OK, we've established that you're not a CO, so what kind of "peace officer" are you? You keep dodging the question.

Possession of an unregistered handgun is illegal too.

Wrong!

I'm 830.1 PC as a Deputy Sheriff with 32 years in the same department and proud of it.

What are you?