why do so many come in here and BASH COPS

[ST5MF]

So you can read minds. You "knew" that he "knew" he had all this power to personally make your driving experience crappy.

My hats off to you.

I wish I "knew" what people thought.

Good luck with that.

And yes, you are from Texas aren't you.

Tasmanian Tough Nuts was the resurrector bro. He and his fine example of a read'n and a rite'n that is.

If you want to issue a debate then expect to be called on. I thought we were past the ticket thing about 20 post ago. Boy Genius felt otherwise.

[ST5MF]

Trickster

You are 110% right on the money. Having a bad attitude just makes us all look bad. You get a lot more with honey than vinegar. People with attitudes like ST5MF give the rest of us a very very bad name.

You give yourself not just a "very" but a "very very" bad name by your unintelligable posts, you don't need my help; your doing just fine all by your lonesome.

[biglou]

CHP tickets everyone. Pay your fees, do an online traffic school, and get over it. As far as the range goes in reference to OLL's, keep a copy of the flow chart. There is also a good Training Bulletin from Sacramento PD that would be worth keeping with the flow chart.

[Ron-Solo]

No he can't. You are not in just any public place. You are at a public shooting range. An AW at a public shooting range is not RS for a detention, Sorry, you are wrong.

Bad Info .....AGAIN

[Ron-Solo]

In order for him to investigate, he has to have reasonable suspicion that criminal behavior is taking place. Since AW's are legal to possess and discharge at a public shooting range, where is his reasonable suspicion? Remember, the penal code specifies where AW's can be discharged and a public shooting range is one of those places. Do you think cops can just waltz into a high power match and detain everyone because they have AR-15's? Absent additional factors, they can't.

AWs are only legal to possess if they are REGISTERED in compliance with the law, even if they are at a place where it is legal to shoot.

You don't seem to have much accuracy in YOUR intrepretation of the law and police procedures. You are entitled to YOUR opinion, however wrong it may be, but please stop using this forum to spread inaccurate informantion that could get someone in trouble.

This forum is for Law Enforcement Officers to share information and for non-law enforcement to ask questions. If you are not law enforcement, your posts should be restricted to asking questions only. You should not be posting your opinions in this forum.

There are other forums available for you to post in. You can post your legal opinions in the legal issues forum. No one will notice because there is already way too much inaccurate information there to sort out. Too many people with a high school law degree putting out bad information and not enough moderators to sort it out. In this forum, someone might think you are law enforcement and take your mis-information as gospel, thereby getting themselves in hot water, then blaming law enforcement for their troubles.

If you are law enforcement, which I seriously doubt based on your posts, you don't know squat and are in some serious need of additional training on the laws of arrest, probable cause and investigative techniques. You are giving us a bad name. But like I said, I seriously doubt you are law enforcement.

You seem to be trying to provoke a confrontation, which is not acceptable in this forum.

Questions asked in a civil manner are welcomed and we will try to answer them as best we can. If you came here to pass on anti-law enforcement dribble, it's time for you to go away or go to another forum.

[6172crew]

I'm going to beat the dead horse here, this forum allows members to ask LEO questions without calling the dept or stopping one on the street. Twice I can remember that good intentions turned bad.

You have a few cops here willing to give free time to us and I'd think everyone would keep that in mind when posting here. If you read the rules you will see more about what I just said.

So, do not come in here unless you are here to ask questions and are looking for gun friendly cops to answer.

[Jonathan Doe]

I can be wrong, but it seems like some people got banned and keep coming back with different ID. Their tone of the writing feels the same.

Anyways, I learn a lot from the Calguns. At the same time, I try to post the information from my daily work, working specifically with a lot of guns involved in crimes one way or the other. Some people even complained about it also.

I know we cannot please everyone, but I am just doing my job.

[yzErnie]

I know we can please everyone, but I am just doing my job.

You must work in a great community...we could never please everyone.

[GuyW]

At the same time, I try to post the information from my daily work, working specifically with a lot of guns involved in crimes one way or the other. Some people even complained about it also.

I'm sure that many of us appreciate your posts.

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[Fire in the Hole]

I'm going to beat the dead horse here, this forum allows members to ask LEO questions without calling the dept or stopping one on the street. Twice I can remember that good intentions turned bad.

You have a few cops here willing to give free time to us and I'd think everyone would keep that in mind when posting here. If you read the rules you will see more about what I just said.

So, do not come in here unless you are here to ask questions and are looking for gun friendly cops to answer.

+1000

And I'd like to add one more rule if I may. When you ask a question from a LEO on this forum, understand that you own whatever answer comes back. When you solicite an opinion or advice from an LEO there is to be no arguing, or bickering about the answer. Debate, clarification, and follow-up questions are fine. But hostility to the answer and answerer are not permitted, the same goes with snide personal come-backs. Reply remarks prefaced with, "I'll bet you wouldn't give that answer if you couldn't hide behind your badge" are inappropriate. The same holds true for the old worn out hacknied "doughnut" cliche's and "revenue generating" counter points. They've been done to death. If you believe that is the purpose for LE in your community, fine. But keep it to yourself and out of this forum. Remember never ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to.

[Jonathan Doe]

You must work in a great community...we could never please everyone.

Now I corrected it. My keyboard skill sucks.

[Steveo8]

+1000
Remember never ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to.

God I love this one :-)!!!

[yzErnie]

Remember never ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to.

My dad used to tell me that all the time. What great words!! Maybe I should forward a copy of this quote to my boss!!!

[J-cat]

At a high power match all the shooters and their equipment would have been vetted by the match organizers. But your original statement was about a public range. Very different situations all together.

If you don't like my answers fine. Do as you please. I hope no one else here takes your advice though.

It will not do them any good and only lead to trouble.

By the way, what formal training education and experience do you have in relation to just what an officer can and cannot do??

It is not a very different situation at all. High power matches take place at public shooting ranges.

Do you pull over cars just to see if the drivers are licensed?

As far as my quals, I am a peace officer in this state. I have both undergrad and graduate degrees in this field. I don't troll shooting ranges for offenders. But I do detain and search people every week in their homes and on the road.

[J-cat]

AWs are only legal to possess if they are REGISTERED in compliance with the law, even if they are at a place where it is legal to shoot.

You don't seem to have much accuracy in YOUR intrepretation of the law and police procedures. You are entitled to YOUR opinion, however wrong it may be, but please stop using this forum to spread inaccurate informantion that could get someone in trouble.

This forum is for Law Enforcement Officers to share information and for non-law enforcement to ask questions. If you are not law enforcement, your posts should be restricted to asking questions only. You should not be posting your opinions in this forum.

There are other forums available for you to post in. You can post your legal opinions in the legal issues forum. No one will notice because there is already way too much inaccurate information there to sort out. Too many people with a high school law degree putting out bad information and not enough moderators to sort it out. In this forum, someone might think you are law enforcement and take your mis-information as gospel, thereby getting themselves in hot water, then blaming law enforcement for their troubles.

If you are law enforcement, which I seriously doubt based on your posts, you don't know squat and are in some serious need of additional training on the laws of arrest, probable cause and investigative techniques. You are giving us a bad name. But like I said, I seriously doubt you are law enforcement.

You seem to be trying to provoke a confrontation, which is not acceptable in this forum.

Questions asked in a civil manner are welcomed and we will try to answer them as best we can. If you came here to pass on anti-law enforcement dribble, it's time for you to go away or go to another forum.

You don't understand the basics of detention and arrest.

You cannot stop and detain someone just because you wanna see their registration. An AW is not illegal to possess at a shooting range. The law does not require people to glue their AW registration letter to the side of their rifle. You do not have the right to forcibly inquire into the registration issue without additional factors that would raise suspicion that criminal activity is occurring. What criminal activity are you investigating? Possession of an illegal AW? So mere ownership of an AW is grounds for detention every time I leave my house? How about possession of an unregistered pistol? Are you going to detain and run every single pistol owner every time they go to the range just to see they are registered?

You cannot pull over a car just to see the driver's CDL.

You cannot detain a pedestrian just to run him for warrants.

ETC.