Additional reactions culled from the case thread in Litigation

[Guninator]

All I know is I see how easily governmental entities are tagged with liability given any hint of negligence. Forget filling LEO slots, as is governments are paying large to try to get the best people. The problem is bankrupting municipal entities by the jury system. If you know so much about it, how come you think police are held personally liable, when in most all cases the city indemnifies them?

[tonyxcom]

Yes ,but what about featureless?

As it has been said several dozen times. 30 round mags are GTG in featureless. They were GTG before this ruling too BTW.


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[Psychbiker]

[Guninator]

It's not about filling positions. You're probably right that police agencies would find enough applicants to fill vacancies even if qualified immunity went away. Keep in mind that most are having difficulty finding enough qualified applicants at present.



One of the strongest arguments in favor of qualified immunity is that it facilitates discretionary decision-making by officers. Think about this - if some drunk walks up to you an the street an punches you out, do you really want the responding officer to say "Nope, I'm not going to arrest him. He could claim that it was mutual combat and then sue me."



Or do you want for your daughter to be molested, and the responding officer refuse to arrest the suspect because there "isn't enough proof" that the crime was committed.



Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.

[PseudoTsuga]

As it has been said several dozen times. 30 round mags are GTG in featureless. They were GTG before this ruling too BTW.


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I hate to be onerous, but could you expand a little on this for my edification? I've seen this point a few times and though I consider myself fairly well versed I California gun law, this one is a new one for me.

Thanks.

[tonyxcom]

[HibikiR]

Correction:
"Assault weapons" = ILLEGAL TO OWN!!!
*REGISTERED* AW = Legal to own, legal to use hi-caps
Fixed magazine = Limited to 10 round mags
Featureless = Legal to use hi-caps

[aBrowningfan]

Assault weapons are limited to 10 round mags

What PC section limits AWs to 10 round magazines?

[pistol3]

I hate to be onerous, but could you expand a little on this for my edification? I've seen this point a few times and though I consider myself fairly well versed I California gun law, this one is a new one for me.

Thanks.

30 round magazines were good to go in featureless prior to July 1, 2017. Then it became illegal to own 30 round magazines.

[aBrowningfan]

We all know this is getting appealed on Monday but does anyone know the numbers of where ninth circus judges stand, Left vs Right?

The real question is whether the 9th Circus issues a stay pending appeal. I wish I knew how to assess the odds of a stay being granted pending appeal.

[ar15barrels]

ALL registered AW's can use any magazine you like.
The 10 round distinction is a DETERMINING FACTOR on if a fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifle is an assault weapon or not.
People stick to 10 round make to ensure that their fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifles are NOT an assault weapon.

Once a rifle IS registered as an assault weapon, you really don't need to worry about if your use of a magazine over 10 rounds ALSO makes it an assault weapon because it'a ALREADY an assault weapon.

You can't make an assault weapon any more assaultier.

[Hsu]

ALL registered AW's can use any magazine you like.

The 10 round distinction is a DETERMINING FACTOR on if a fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifle is an assault weapon or not.

People stick to 10 round make to ensure that their fixed magazine semi-auto centerfire rifles are NOT an assault weapon.



Once a rifle IS registered as an assault weapon, you really don't need to worry about if your use of a magazine over 10 rounds ALSO makes it an assault weapon because it'a ALREADY an assault weapon.



You can't make an assault weapon any more assaultier.

Alot of people thought that when there was just RAW not RAW and BBWRAW. CA doj thought otherwise

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[wilderness medic]

I think standard is what comes with the rifle, I'm a Rifleman by title, 11-B-10, the standard issue AR magazine is 20 or 30 rounds depending on time. I like to think like you, but if the judge said standard magazine, that would be 20 or 30, AR and AK.

What time period were you in where they issued ARs?

[HibikiR]

Alot of people thought that when there was just RAW not RAW and BBWRAW. CA doj thought otherwise

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I think they jerked around the definition of registered, not with what defines an AW, to make that happen. Liberal logic would say that changing the bullet button drastically changes what is actually being registered as if changing a gas cap would turn a car into an assault vehicle when registering with the DMV.

RAW and BBRAW may differ in terms of what is registered, but both are still AWs and a 30rd mag doesn't make them assault++ AWs.

[chaco]

Dros'd a handgun at riflegear today and asked about the high cap magazine and if they will be shipping/selling. They said not until they get an OK from their attorney which i think thats what most vendors will be doing