Additional reactions culled from the case thread in Litigation

[ar15barrels]

So, with this ruling, how does this affect people in SF, Sunnyvale and other places that have city-level bans on "hi-cap" mags?

No effect.
Each municipal law also needs to be challenged and then overturned by a court.
The federal decision will make the challenge very easy though.
Then it's just a matter of the court agreeing with the challenge and blocking the unconstitutional law that is the subject of each challenge.

[Hsu]

Please reword that because I'm worried the wrong interpretation of that would mean you just admitted to possession of an unregistered Bullet Button AW.

No they are either featureless or locked mag now but were bought preban just hoping there might be some kind of remedy that allows for registration without the BB when they eventually lose.

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[ar15barrels]

were bought preban just hoping there might be some kind of remedy that allows for registration without the BB when they eventually lose.

There won't be an additional registry opening when the illegal regulations are overturned.
Registry openings are only required when a LAW is changed that creates additional assault weapons which are eligible for registration.
That's what the 2018 registry opening was all about.

Since there is no actual LAW requiring bullet buttons to be kept on registered assault weapons that were registered in 2018, there can be no change in the law afterwards to remove that requirement.
It's only regulations that are requiring bullet buttons to be kept on registered BBAW's.
A change in the regulations will NOT trigger an additional registry opening.

[Jarrod]

In the 70s'-80's AR M16, the 20 round mahazine was the standard issue, we called the 30 magazines, banana clips (we know they are not clips), the magazine issue for the has always been a 30 rounder standard issue. You give warfighters magazines with higher than 20 or 30 rounds and they waste ammunition.

I thought the military went from the M14 to the M16, and never used the semi auto AR15?

[tony270]

What time period were you in where they issued ARs?

From 74-77, the M16 was issued, we only had 20 round magazines, that was the standard issue, we called the 30 magazines banana clips (we knew they were not clips), the magazine issue for the AK47 has always been 30 rounds. You give warfighters magazines with higher than 20 or 30 rounds, and they waste ammunition.

[tony270]

I thought the military went from the M14 to the M16, and never used the semi auto AR15?

I just woke up, read my awake post, I tried to delete that and rewrite, but you quoted it before I could.

We never used M15, that's a civilian version of the M16, read my new corrected post.

[tony270]

I thought the military went from the M14 to the M16, and never used the semi auto AR15?

We had simi auto, and full auto, never had burst, it came latter. I retired 37 1/2 years DOD, 3 years active Army, the rest as a DOD civilian, Army, Navy, and the USMC. I retired as a Civilian Marine, that's what my ID says. So I know about this stuff, worked for ESD and MCCES for 20 years, supporting and training Warfighters.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

If I am right, I have a few decent mags, If I am wrong, I am out $60. No big deal.

[tonyxcom]

Correction:

"Assault weapons" = ILLEGAL TO OWN!!!

*REGISTERED* AW = Legal to own, legal to use hi-caps

Fixed magazine = Limited to 10 round mags

Featureless = Legal to use hi-caps

Correct. Sorry.

I meant putting a 10+ in your fixed mag with features makes an assault weapon.

[tonyxcom]

What PC section limits AWs to 10 round magazines?

[JonMorganHill]

I ordered last night from them as well. So far no notice that they won't ship.

Got my mail notice that order was cancelled.

"Your order has been canceled. The item(s) on your order are currently prohibited in your state. There hasn't been any changes to the California State Law regarding magazines over 10 rounds. The recent court ruling only blocked a 2016 law that would have made high capacity magazines already owned by CA residents illegal to possess or sell. We will refund you in full. Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions or concerns. "

[phaseshift]

from grabagun

me: Hello, I placed an order yesterday for `15 rnd magazines to california. Will you guys be honoring the order and shipping to california?

Rep: The owners of the company have not addressed this as of yet. You will need to reach out tomorrow during business hours and get a answer after the company has addressed the legal change.

we'll see tomorrow

[HibikiR]

They actually don't differ at all.
When you get your list with your newly registered BBAW's, it will include your previous AW's from the 2000 and 1989 registry openings.
It's all one AW list with no differentiation as to which guns are from which registration because the system only track them as assault weapons.

I know that, but I was referring to the mental gymnastics behind the DOJ's assertion that when we take the BBs off our BBRAWs then the rifle we have now is "not the same" as the rifle we had registered and therefore we become criminals for "manufacturing AWs".

[SkyHawk]

Got my mail notice that order was cancelled.

"Your order has been canceled. The item(s) on your order are currently prohibited in your state. There hasn't been any changes to the California State Law regarding magazines over 10 rounds. The recent court ruling only blocked a 2016 law that would have made high capacity magazines already owned by CA residents illegal to possess or sell. We will refund you in full. Please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions or concerns. "

Somebody help me out. If as of right now PC32310 is invalid (just for sake of argument say it was erased from the books), what other law is still on the books that prohibits sales/purchases of std cap mags - have I missed it?

[OleCuss]

Somebody help me out. If as of right now PC32310 is invalid (just for sake of argument say it was erased from the books), what other law is still on the books that prohibits sales/purchases of std cap mags - have I missed it?

I believe there are local ordinances which can be in play, but that isn't likely much of a risk for the out-of-state seller but significant for the local buyer.

I don't know of any other state law which would prohibit the sale, purchase, import, or manufacture of standard magazines.

However, you have to remember that the state can and will take your perfectly legal magazines as a nuisance(s).

And remember that in some cases putting a perfectly legal magazine into a perfectly legal firearm turns you into a felon.

We should be very grateful that the judge showed devotion to the law and Constitution and was brave enough to issue a very good judgement. But the ruling is necessarily limited to the case which was before him so even if you can legally own the magazine you may not be able to legally use it.

IMHO this is a very useful ruling and it has good strategic implications for the future.

But for right now I'd not even keep a 10+ round magazine in close proximity to a non-RAW if it has "evil features". I'd be worried about constructive possession (or whatever the proper term is) being used to claim that you are committing the felony because the magazine is clearly being used with the firearm even if it is not observed in use.