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So lets see the EXCON came from out of no where and and with no warning shoved you violently to where you ended up on the ground.
Then you got up and shoved the EXCON back and beat the EXCON to where he could not run away !
The police then showed up and took the beat up EXCON to jail.
Is that about right ?
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I felt a sense of relief that this thug is gone as soon as I saw the video.
I think I know why some people here think the shooting was not justified. They probably have a similar "Tough Guy" mindset as the thug - the "Anyone who annoys my girl...I'll kick his ***" mentality & they want to preserve their macho manhood option without getting shot. I've known idiots like this. They think it's wimpy to just walk away. They're taking the same risk this thug took.Comment
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Who is the ex-con? Why have you prejudged him? Where is his record of prison time? Do you actually have it? Or are you just justifying your desire to shoot big black men who take exception to some miserable busybody who feels entitled to harass women?
You have practically talked yourself into declaring that THUGS have "lives not worth living."
So what if McGlockton had trouble 7 or more years ago? People can grow up. He was there with his family. You don't get to decide somebody is an EXCON because he is black and plants you on your butt.
Everytime you repeat "shoved VIOLENTLY" you sound like you are trying to sell something to somebody. We all see what happened. McGlockton didn't pull up a chair for the hall monitor. No, he did embarrass Drejka by putting him on his butt. Because Drejka was harassing McGlockton's GF.
But that is no justification to shoot, even if you think it is. And you have said it is!
People like you should never carry guns in public. I hope the "thousands" of people you have annoyed while they were shooting at the range have better judgment than you do.
The biggest lessons from this tragedy is that people like Drejka cannot be trusted with guns and should not be armed, and that people should mind their own business.
It is NOT ok to shoot somebody just because they push you. That's why we don't let children have guns. Or weapons.
This reply is not meant for those who believe McGlockton was still attacking. I do not see that in the video, others say they do, but that is a different argument.
This reply is for ja308, who has repeated his belief that Drejka was justified in killing because McGlockton was a "PRISON-HARDENED EX-CON" who VIOLENTLY pushed Drejka so that he could have cracked his head. Notwithstanding that there is no evidence that McGlockton was ever in prison, Drejka had no information on McGlockton or ja308's disapproval of him, and in fact did not crack his head.
Drejka's actual injuries were limited to his pride.Comment
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BTW The personal attacks against me are not effective.
Although Win 231 did not mention you by name, it would appear his insights posted in #258 relate directly to you !
Now after reading Mcgloctons arrest record. I have no proof he went to prison. I suspect he must have done some time for the crimes he was arrested for. If he had never been sentenced to prison it shows he never paid any penalty for his crimes.
While the arrests include aggravated battery and resisting arrest with violence against police, other arrests attributed to are him selling cocaine and selling fake drugs!
As a side for cal gunners interested in how the google swamp hides in plain sight. I searched for Markeis McGlocton arrest records and it showed up on about P14 after 13 pages of articles dealing with stand your ground and angry blacks demanding justice for one of their own!
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watching Mike Drejka draw and fire on what he thought was an advancing violent man who caught him in a surprise attack. It occurred to me that Markeis Mcglockton had been beat up before and feared a fair fight with Mike.
Its possibile and entirely likely that Mike Drejka spent a good amount of time in a dojo! I base that on how a violent shove did not rattle him and that he was prepared to stop the threat almost instantly. Notice how he fell too,possibily another indication of one who. trains regularly.
Another reason for thinking Mike trained is that was was not afraid to confront the person who parked in a space reserved for the physically disabled.
When 2 men square off for a fair fight, very few persons could draw and fire before taking a punch,so its likely Mike would have just went up with one front kick to the groin and 2 quick straight punches,1 left to the stomach and a quick shot to the nose .
Its even entirely likely that if Mike was trained in martial arts, that Mcgloctons brain registered in his sub conscience when he briefly noticed the scar tissue and grape sized callouses on one hand or both!
Just saying this is really quite likely because McGlocton, instead of a face to face, man to man encounter took a path of a cowardice or maybe chickenS is more appropriate that coward.
Very few men find honor in blindsiding an unsuspecting person especially an older smaller man !Last edited by ja308; 07-31-2018, 4:20 PM.Comment
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And, that right there is the second biggest problem. Problem number #1, was the blatant racism put on display by the Blogger. Problem number #2, was your joyful (almost gleefully) reprint of the racist blogger's idiocy on a third-party forum. You basically vouched for the Title's vagrancy when you came in here gushing over its tone.
I think I made myself crystal clear. Disparity Of Force was clearly present and the use of lethal force, were I to be on such a jury, would have been lawful, in my opinion as a juror. So, I'm not blaming the old man for defending himself. He was under a high amount of stress. He had just been sucker pushed to the ground with strong force. He was no doubt totally defenseless at that point and equally no doubt felt that in that prone position on the ground, that his assailant could have caused him great bodily injury and/or death. He drew his firearm from the ground (not on his feet) and fired on his assailant to stop the attack.
I don't have a solitary problem with any of that.
My problem is with your gushing behind a Blog Title that only someone without conscious or moral compass would ever support in tone. I further stated that, if I can't trust one part of the Blogger's presentation, then I can't trust any part of the Blogger's presentation. Therefore, the Blogger's regurgitation of the events leading up to the self-defense shooting with Disparity Of Force fully intact, is not something I'm willing to consider. I'll consider Law Enforcement's version of the events by way of eye witness statements given at the scene, but not this particular Race Baiting Blogger.
The fact that you don't see this is my problem with your post.
And, while we are quoting great men...
No problem can be solved on the level at which it was created. -- Albert EinsteinMere rant, bombast, and self-inflation may pass elsewhere, but not here. For this reason, and for my own self-respect, I shall endeavor to say only what I believe to be the truth upon what is popularly called "The Negro Problem. --- Frederick Douglass, October 21, 1890Followed by:It has been well said that in an important sense words are things. They are especially such when they are employed to express the popular sentiment concerning the Negro: to couple his name with anything in this world seems to damage it and damage him likewise. -- Frederick Douglass, October 21, 1890
When a White person behave badly, they are immediately classified as "Mentally Ill." When a Black person behaves badly, they are immediately classified as "Black." Mentally Ill vs Black is a serious problem in America and has been since before the days of my dear friend, Mr. Frederick Douglass.
One was dumb for arguing over a parking space with blue paint on it. The other was dumb for becoming violent because someone was dumb for arguing over a parking space with blue paint on it.
Dummy Number #1 shot Dummy Number #2.
Both were dummies. It really is just that simple. There was absolutely zero justification for turning it into a Race Baited Scenario by Dummy Number #3, the Blogger.
Got it? Good. Let's move on and talk about guns. That's what the "Guns" in CalGuns.net is supposed to be all about.
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What does any of that have to do with this:
Most of the flack you are catching here has its source and origin in the Race Baiting Blogger's leading Title and your gleeful support of it. That fact that you can't see that is the central problem, here.
We can argue whether the shooting was justified under the law. I've already established by opinion twice in this thread and gave the reasons for my opinion - right or wrong. An attorney watching this thread could enlighten on Disparity Of Force and how that doctrine would be applied in a court room, should the Defender somehow become the target of the District Attorney and Prosecutor.
I don't see evidence to bring charges against the Defender, but I'm no attorney. I'm just a guy who studied Disparity Of Force Doctrine from someone considered one of the preeminent authorities on the subject in America. None of what you address has anything to do with what's being highlighted for you in the Red Box above. The number #1 reason you don't address that issue is because there is no defense for the Blogger's clear race bating intent in his Title.
Lastly, if you visit this site Bureau of Justice Statistics and do your homework, you will discover the truth about who commits the vast majority of crimes in America that involved police contact. Here's a hint. It ain't Black People, by far and away. There is a difference between Ratio of Crimes Committed and Absolute Number of Crimes Committed. White's commit criminal acts involving police contact in numbers that soar above Blacks nation wide. But, that statistical fact never gets reported on the 6'OClock news. That statistic has been that case since criminal stats have been recorded in America.
The peak of crime was reached between 1978 and 1979 and tapered off into the early 80's. However, the peak of Main Stream Media Coverage of crime in general exploded when Cable became a virtual utility into homes across America. News outlets began flooding Cable channels with Urban crime and ignored Suburban and Rural crime. This is precisely WHY the crack epidemic that exploded in Black communities in urban America was exposed at "6'OClock" while the cocaine explosion followed by the meth explosion in Suburban and Rural America got ignored, until it became too much of a problem and was later exposed to the broader audience of News outlets almost two decades later.
This is part of the reason WHY you have a Blogger today, feeling completely within himself by repeating what Main Stream Media has been doing for decades in this country. He's just mimicking what worked for MSM for so many years. Drilling down on History is reveals the truth about it. Unfortunately, there are too many cowards out there who refuse to accept the truth about our shared American History. What you've done here was superficial at best.
I'll say it again, there were at least three (3) dummies involved in this (Pusher Thug, Parking Space Cop and Race Baiting Blogger). Please don't add yet a 4th dummy to this "scene" (Clueless CalGuns Promoter of Race Baiting Hate). We don't need more dummies. We have our fair share in America. We're all stocked up. We need better Parenting. That would do more to reduce crime than any legislative act imaginable.Comment
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Put my own feelings in my back pocket and watched the video a bunch of times.
Yes, the bad guy did step towards the downed man after shoving him to the ground.
Gun was presented and bad guy starts backing up. (In my mind the threat is over then.) There was a very short pause and victim fired.
From the comfort of my couch I can say. I would not have shot. If I was sitting on my butt in the parking lot I might have shot. Emotions, time compression, adrenaline etc.
Whatever you decide and how you decide it is up to you. Just base your decision on what you see and not what you surmise.
So far criminal records (real or imagined) Someones belief that somebody trained in fighting. Belief that somebody was a parking lot monitor really have no bearing. Especially when it is not factually proven. Hard to win an argument when you are introducing unproven facts.^^ Said by some lunatic on the internetComment
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I told you once I'm not going down that road with you, now act like an adult and accept that.
Another tired forum tactic: "change the subject".
reductio ad absurdum
Shouting at a woman in a car with her kids is not "initiating a conversation".
They are discussing the fact the man backed up, if I was a betting man, I would wager he (the shooter) gets his day in court.Comment
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I dont know why you believe some sort of racist drivel about blacks being inferior to other races. For the record Blacks are not inferior !
To report crimes and leave out the race of persons if they are black (big democrat media ) is the worst form of racisim because it implies thats natural for folks of that ethnicity to be a criminal therefore " lets hide the race "
Recently we attended the NRA convention and a black lady named Josephine Bryd was honored because she wanted to protect herself against the black drug dealers and black gang members in her public housing unit. The NRA went to court and she is armed against those people.
What the blogger at downtrend did was call out the narrative in terms that left no ambiguity. Maybe it was to get a jump on the Brown or Martin narratives .
If the title was white thug gets a toe tag for messing with the wrong gun owner. NONE of you would have a problem because it is a fact ! By excusing and forgiving black behavior you are in fact disrespecting the black race as somehow he should be excused because of his race. WRONG!
Also wrong is the Chicken S idea that a person is an idiot for confronting illegal behavior. We heard about George Zimmerman being a vigilante and wanna cop when all wanted to do was stop theft from his community.Obviously some of you are the see no evil hear no evil type.
If folks do not know about black people and who they really are, I suggest David Clarks book. Cop under Fire which have have a signed copy.Last edited by ja308; 07-31-2018, 4:22 PM.Comment
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He ate you're lunch by calling you out, and you respond by linking to the ZERO credibility,anti gun NewYork Times on a gun forum !I told you once I'm not going down that road with you, now act like an adult and accept that.
Another tired forum tactic: "change the subject".
reductio ad absurdum
Shouting at a woman in a car with her kids is not "initiating a conversation".
They are discussing the fact the man backed up, if I was a betting man, I would wager he (the shooter) gets his day in court.
Grow up, move on and people will respect honesty and humility.Comment
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Race is not causal. Highlighting race doesn't provide anything meaningful here.
It would be like saying "White Politicians fight to ban guns". Is there an element of truth? Yes. Is it pertinent? No. It's called race baiting/exploitation.
If the suspect is caught, there is no relevance to their race. Josephine wanted to protect herself from people of any race that were threats. If it was a white gang members or Asian gang member, she'd still want the gun.Comment
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No, you spewed BS all over the thread, and aren’t man enough to admit it.I told you once I'm not going down that road with you, now act like an adult and accept that.
Another tired forum tactic: "change the subject".
reductio ad absurdum
Shouting at a woman in a car with her kids is not "initiating a conversation".
They are discussing the fact the man backed up, if I was a betting man, I would wager he (the shooter) gets his day in court.
You aren’t going up that road because you cannot.
If you want to vomit Latin, learn how to write persuasively. I didn’t change the subject, this is exactly what we are talking about. We are talking about you lying to try to make a point. In what universe is that changing the subject?
You are the last person to tell someone they shouldnt own a gun, reductio ad idiocy Desperatum.
You can tell from a silent video who started yelling? More lies from you, what a shocker.
The last quote isn’t mine. I could not possibly care less what you would place a wager on, you have demonstrated a propensity to talk out your backside and whine when called on it. I certainly wouldn’t expect you to honor a wager, nor does what the political decisions of a district or state attorney do have any bearing on whether this was right.
You’re dismissed. Learn to present your points without making crap up, and it will go better next time.Last edited by Citadelgrad87; 07-31-2018, 4:44 PM.Originally posted by tony270Originally posted by repubconservOriginally posted by el chivoXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOriginally posted by pjsig
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Your last statement is beyond dumb and ignorant. No one is defending the guy who got shot. What we're saying is that YOU CAN'T SHOOT SOMEONE WHO IS NO LONGER AN ACTIVE THREAT. The criticism is entirely on the actions of the shooter; the victim here is completely, and totally, irrelevant.
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