Thug gets a slug !

[Ivan275]

So? Doesn't mean he didn't commit murder.

Until he is charged and convicted of murder he didn't commit murder. He sure as hell killed some one but murder is a legal issue.

Let me ask you this:
1. If Drejka was on the phone with his wife, and there was no car in the handicap spot, and McGlockton did what he did for no apparent reason is this still murder in your eyes?
2. What if everything happened as it did in real life but Drejka pulled the trigger as soon as the get the gun out, without any delay without giving McGlockton a chance to stop or back up. Still murder? The delay looked a bit long to me, but I say that sitting at my desk, with all the time in the world to replay and pause the video. If I was just surprised, violently pushed to the ground, disoriented, looking up and seeing the guy that is responsible for me being on my *** standing a few feet away maybe it takes that amount of time to aim, make sure the background is clear, fumble with the safety if there was one, think do I really want to pull the trigger and finally fire.

[God Bless America]

Until he is charged and convicted of murder he didn't commit murder. He sure as hell killed some one but murder is a legal issue.

Not true. It just means he is not a convicted murderer.

Let me ask you this:
1. If Drejka was on the phone with his wife, and there was no car in the handicap spot, and McGlockton did what he did for no apparent reason is this still murder in your eyes?

Yes, but a closer case.

2. What if everything happened as it did in real life but Drejka pulled the trigger as soon as the get the gun out, without any delay ... Still murder?

Yes

...without giving McGlockton a chance to stop or back up.

I think McGlockton stopped before the gun was drawn.

[God Bless America]

The burden of proof is on you. In criminal case, it's "beyond reasonable doubt." I am reasonable and I have a doubt...

The question is not whether *you* are reasonable. That's not in the Penal Code or jury instructions.

[BTFlyer]

I think McGlockton stopped before the gun was drawn.

Rewatch the video ... until he saw that gun he was still moving forward

He only started begging when he knew he brought his fists to a gunfight...then became distinctly less brave

[God Bless America]

He only started begging when he knew he brought his fists to a gunfight...then became distinctly less brave

You have no reason to declare that McGlockton was "begging." You are making things up to suit your bias.

[BTFlyer]

You have no reason to declare that McGlockton was "begging." You are making things up to suit your bias.

When he saw that gun he soon showed his empty hands and backed away...I can only imagine his pleas and then the wails of his baby momma after he was plugged .... Damn I wish there was audio

[Citadelgrad87]

Yes we have witnesses who state that he harassed people who parked in that spot, to the point the property owner asked him to leave. We have a witness who says Drejka was yelling.



He murdered somebody that's why DUH.



Not true. My accusations and conclusions are based on the video and witness testimony.



Never said he was.



No, it is not. Drejka has a reported history of harassing people, and brandinshing a firearm during a road rage incident. We know nothing about the woman. It is more likely that Drejka started the yelling.



Thank you, Mr. Gerson, but I will take the soft bigotry of low expectations over the active bigotry of stereotyping people as hood rats every day of the week. Because it is worse. What are my "low expectations" anyways?



You CANNOT bring a gun to a shoving match. Or parking enforcement.



Period.



That was not a body slam, not every body slam justifies a shooting, and this shooting was second-degree murder.

Do you honestly think Drejka politely asked her to "please not park in that spot"?

You’re Wrong on every level. There is ONE witness who claims that years ago this guy got into it about a parking spot and threatened to shoot him, with no police report or other reason to elevate this to gospel, other than your desperate desire to recast this.

You’ve got it wrong. He didn’t bring a gun to a shoving match, you repulsive liar, the thug brought phyiscial viokence to a shouting match. That’s against the law. He made it physical. At that point, self defense is in play.

Also, one who cannot state the truth, a shoving match is where two people engage in shoving each other. This was a blindside slam. They weren’t squared off, the thug blindsided him.

Your low expectations are the pass you give a violent large man who attacked a visibly smaller man, violently, when no force was legally authorized. You think it’s ok, and even call it a shoving match.

If you were standing in front of a wal mart minding your own business and I blasted you to the ground with that force, there is no way you’d EVER say we got into a shoving match.

That’s your racism of low expectations. We can’t expect him to NOT physically and violently react to a parking space dispute.

Go away until you can honestly discuss this.

We also have the store owner who said he was a quiet, polite guy.

You, of course, ignore that and believe what you want to beleive.

This shooting was not murder, stop talking now, it wasn’t even arguably murder.

[ja308]

When he saw that gun he soon showed his empty hands and backed away...I can only imagine his pleas and then the wails of his baby momma after he was plugged .... Damn I wish there was audio

Now hold on a minute BTF!
Thanx to this justifiable homicide I think we can all learn a few tips on surviving an encounter with hood rats!
#1 Never ever question a hood rats behavior. Whether its carving up mirrors,toilet seats or even key lacing you're own personal vehicle. It should be understood that a hood rat can park where they want, take what they want and conduct themselves in manner they wish, which includes burglary.

#2 Never look directly at a hood rat from either far or close as it is a sign of disrespect, ( sort of a modern caste system) they will without any fear of reprisal take you out because a hood rat is a higher caste than any other!

#3 Never be in anyplace frequented by hood rats because hood rats are a protected valuable species to the big city democrat machines and the the big democrat media and they know it . A hood rat will without any provocation bump into you and if you smile and apologise, the hood rat will move closer in a further attempt to intimidate or injure you!

#what we have learned on this thread is its never the hood rats fault for any crime committed against a do gooder like Mike or George from Sanford.

Others like GBA should let us know whatever other conduct we should avoid around hood rats. He seems to be the resident hood rat expert here. Knowing things that only an insider would know !

As aside its very likely many in Clearwater are like the many in Miami who are pleased both Trayvon Martin and Markeis McGlocton are dead.

[BTFlyer]

The paramedics could have saved him too....but the ambulance had to circle the block as it couldn't find a space to park because some dufus was blocking the disabled spot near the door

[Citadelgrad87]

The paramedics could have saved him too....but the ambulance had to circle the block as it couldn't find a space to park because some dufus was blocking the disabled spot near the door

[HK9]

Put my own feelings in my back pocket and watched the video a bunch of times.

Yes, the bad guy did step towards the downed man after shoving him to the ground.

Gun was presented and bad guy starts backing up. (In my mind the threat is over then.) There was a very short pause and victim fired.

Pausing does not necessarily equal end of threat. He turned himself into the bad guy with the violent knock down. That violent knock down sets both tone and tenor for a self-defense response. This was no mere shove. The offensive move made on the defender was both intentional and malicious according to legal definition, as the evidence clearly shows. That was intended to be a take-down move from the standing position and it was highly effective. The defender nearly flew off his feat as he fell to the ground. There was a lot of force behind that move.

If you study Disparity of Force Doctrine and how it has been applied in court causes throughout the country, you will find courts talking about the violent intent of the offender and manner in which the initial attack is commenced with malicious intent. It is that "malicious intent" part that opens the door (quite often in my research) to the legal use of lethal force as a "reasonable" means to engage in self-defense using a firearm.

That initial attack could have easily and quickly been followed up with a secondary attack causing great bodily injury and/or death to the defender. Without a means to defend himself from the ground, the defender was essentially defenseless. His back was literally to the proverbial wall and the literal ground. There was nowhere for him to go, no escape path to take, no time to reach for a cell phone and dial 911 - then wait 8-15 minutes or more for law enforcement to back him up.

From my couch, I see lawful self-defense. Everyone's mileage may vary, of course.

Having said all of that, this never had to happen, had the one who ultimately became the defender never decided to assume the role of Handicap Parking Space Duty Patrol, and had the Wannabe UFC Warrior never decided to take on someone half his age with a violent standing lose-hand take-down maneuver.

I am also willing to bet dollars to donuts that there was another instigating component to all this which has not been talked about in this thread. I am almost certain, though not 100% so, that there was an element of Big Mouth Disease coming from a certain female involved. If I've witnessed it once, I've witnessed it a thousand times before.

Certain, kinds of people love to instigate others into a street fight with their mouth - while they sit back and watch their handiwork. Again, I'm on the couch with you, so I cannot say this happened with absolute certainty - but I've witnessed it happen with certain people who fit the described profile before. I'll leave it at that.

If I were a prosecutor, how would I convince a jury of a lessor charge to murder 1. I don't see a way to get there from here using the defender's actions under the circumstances shown in the video alone. There would need to be something else. Something not readily apparent in the video. If the assailant turned his back on the defender and began walking away, that might be a different thing. But, what if the assailant turned his back to check for witnesses before reaching into his waste band, drawing a weapon and using it against his victim already on the ground? Making the back-turn a mere witness check before finishing the defender off. That happens on the streets a lot.

I just don't see any line of prosecution of the defender here. But, again, I'm on the couch just like you said. We don't know what we cannot see and/or hear. But, what we can see or hear, shows one of many examples of Disparity Of Force being put on display - unfortunately and yet again on YouTube.

[God Bless America]

We also have the store owner who said he was a quiet, polite guy.

Where does that come from?

I have seen the opposite: "The store owner tells ABC Action News that Drejka has a history of assaulting people in the very parking lot the shooting took place."

As to the rest of your overheated diatribe - settle down, Francis.

[Citadelgrad87]

Where does that come from?

I have seen the opposite: "The store owner tells ABC Action News that Drejka has a history of assaulting people in the very parking lot the shooting took place."

As to the rest of your overheated diatribe - settle down, Francis.

Don’t bark orders at me, kid. You’re not and never will be in a position to tell me what to do, so don’t pretend.

No substance, that’s a great showing.

As to the single point you raised, i heard it on local radio as a counterpoint to the truck drivers claim. I will see if I can find it in print, I was driving, not taking notes.

[riderr]

i think the sheriff is misinterpreting the law, which is opening up SYG to unfair or unwarranted criticism.

I think Sheriff read the law correctly and accurately

[riderr]

I think McGlockton stopped before the gun was drawn.

It's very clear on the video, McGlockton kept advancing to Drejka after the violent and unprovoked attack