Thug gets a slug !

[ja308]

That is not entirely correct.

There are many circumstances where you are allowed to use deadly force if you fear for your life or the life of others. That has nothing to do with what we think on a forum. It all depends on the circumstances and how/if the person attacked fears for his life or the life of others, and/or if a reasonable man would believe not using such force will cause death or great bodily harm to him or others. Now, That holds even in places like California.

Secondly, sucker punching people or violently pushing older folks to the ground can easily cause death. Here is a recent example. Some cholo sucker punched a retired sherrif deputy. He fell to the ground and died.

https://youtu.be/onP769ydVXw

We are now feeding and housing that cholo scum bag at tax payers expense. I really wished that retired officer would have had a few more seconds to shoot that vermin. That would have been good riddance and a favor to society.

That's a really sad case where a guy died after getting sucker punched . It's happened several times before with what the democrat media calls the "teen game " of knockout!

I'm wondering if anyone on this forum will question the so called Good Samaritan ( busy body,wanna be cop, legal nazi etc) for ramming the suspects SUV to stop him from escaping after murdering the off duty cop .

[CALI-gula]

The shove happened, Drejka fell to the ground, and McGlockton that shoved him was clearly doing no more. He did not advance, did not even charge, did not get closer. The physical altercation was done before Drejka hit the ground.

Long pause.

McGlockton does nothing to indicate he is drawing a weapon or intends to commit further violence. It does not appear that any rational person would have been in fear of their life at that moment. All action ceased.

Then Drejka draws his firearm and shoots, which looks more like an "I'll show you" moment rather than self-defense.

Thoughtful restraint is a very important part of CCW. To have drawn his weapon as an expression of being armed and ready may have made sense, to show he was not defenseless, but I don't see a reason to have fired his weapon at that moment. I just don't see that here, in fact, I see the opposite. Drejka drawing his weapon and firing when is was no longer necessary is very clear.

I'll defend CCW rights and use in most any scenario, but there simply are certain people that are hot-headed that misapply their CCW capability out of revenge, spit, or simply as a show-off moment.

I've seen it first hand, and have diffused a few of those situations from escalating.

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[Win231]

The shove happened, Drejka fell to the ground, and McGlockton that shoved him was clearly doing no more. He did not advance, did not even charge, did not get closer. The physical altercation was done before Drejka hit the ground.

Long pause.

McGlockton does nothing to indicate he is drawing a weapon or intends to commit further violence. It does not appear that any rational person would have been in fear of their life at that moment. All action ceased.

Then Drejka draws his firearm and shoots, which looks more like an "I'll show you" moment rather than self-defense.

Thoughtful restraint is a very important part of CCW. To have drawn his weapon as an expression of being armed and ready may have made sense, to show he was not defenseless, but I don't see a reason to have fired his weapon at that moment. I just don't see that here, in fact, I see the opposite. Drejka drawing his weapon and firing when is was no longer necessary is very clear.

I'll defend CCW rights and use in most any scenario, but there simply are certain people that are hot-headed that misapply their CCW capability out of revenge, spit, or simply as a show-off moment.

I've seen it first hand, and have diffused a few of those situations from escalating.

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The "hothead" is the one who puts his hands on someone first. When they do, they sometimes get what they deserve (as in this case). The law is not on your side & it's the law that counts...not opinions.
I'm 20 years older than Dreijka. I wouldn't be stupid enough to fight with a younger man, physically. I do mind my own business. I think it's foolish to argue with anyone over illegal parking. But being foolish is not a crime; assaulting someone is. I'd have fired more than once.

[bigmike82]

"I'd have fired more than once." And if I saw that video, and was on your jury, you'd be going away for voluntary manslaughter.

[bubbapug1]

Looks like manslaughter to me. At least manslaughter.....The shooter wasn't in imminent danger after he pulled the gun out. The black victim was actually backing away.

However, I'm sitting in a recliner calmly enjoying the day, not laying on the pavement after being assaulted by someone much younger and bigger than me. In such split second decision making moments it would be tough to second guess someone attacked. But in greg blocks classes we learned as soon as the threat is neutralized you no longer have a right to use lethal force. The black guy certainly wasn't pursuing the shooter.

Should be a manslaughter charge.

[ja308]

While I have no proof it would appear there is a racial component to this incident in the minds of some Calgunners.

I wonder if an older weaker black man who talked to a white woman about illegal parking was violently and without provocation shoved to the ground by a much younger,much stronger,white EX Con. Would these same Calgunners who are 2nd guessing Mr Drejga call for the black CCW holder to be charged with a crime?

Or would they see this as the Sheriff and most on this forum do. Namely a violent thug got just what he deserved and see it as a self defense situation.

As a side very few of the experts who call for prosecution have addressed the teen game of polar bear hunting or the Knock out game . Which is pretty much what McGlocton did in that the shove was not a face to face confrontation but a blind side attack .

As a side the knock out game ended when CCW passed in Wisconsin and where at least some perps were killed before knocking out their intended white victim.

[tsmithson]

Did anybody notice that as soon as the person on the drivers side saw the guy come out of the store he/she aggressively jumped out of the car making it Two on one (that can get the one killed). Still looks like a poor excuse to shoot him because you landed on your bum bum. I guess he never was in a fight and had to use his brains and skills to get out of a problem.

[God Bless America]

Or would they see this as the Sheriff and most on this forum do. Namely a violent thug got just what he deserved and see it as a self defense situation.

Sheriff did not say that.

...the Knock out game . Which is pretty much what McGlocton did in that the shove was not a face to face confrontation but a blind side attack .

There was no "knock-out game" involved. Your comparison is inapt and incorrect. The knock-out game does not involve hearing somebody is yelling at your mate, and coming out of a store to see just that.

[ja308]

Sheriff did not say that.



There was no "knock-out game" involved. Your comparison is inapt and incorrect. The knock-out game does not involve hearing somebody is yelling at your mate, and coming out of a store to see just that.

It was very similar to knock out game in that the attack was stealth,without warning! BTW since we are speculating. Should a victim of the teen game knockout have the right to plug the knock out game player? Providing of course he was still physically able to do so ? Or is that another case where physical violence is excused because the person attacked was not unconscience or dead ?

Have a link to prove CCW holder was yelling at the woman who parked in a spot reserved for people who very well could be not ambulatory?
Not that yelling would justify a stealth attack .

It sort of shows some bias on your part in that you did not address my hypothetical if the races were reversed where an elderly black man was shoved violently to the ground by a younger white Ex Con who had a history of extreme violence .

[God Bless America]

I am pretty sure I read that. If you tell me it will change your mind or make any difference to you or your fellow Charles Bronson fans, I will take the trouble to look for it.

[CALI-gula]

The "hothead" is the one who puts his hands on someone first. When they do, they sometimes get what they deserve (as in this case). The law is not on your side & it's the law that counts...not opinions.
I'm 20 years older than Dreijka. I wouldn't be stupid enough to fight with a younger man, physically. I do mind my own business. I think it's foolish to argue with anyone over illegal parking. But being foolish is not a crime; assaulting someone is. I'd have fired more than once.

Hands. Once. A shove. Then it was done.

Not worthy of lethal response, especially when he fired his shots a good pause after all hands were off, McGlockton was at a distance with no other weapons, wasn't charging and was actually backing away - a push akin to insult and little more as he was sitting calmly on the ground at that point and just as calmly able to draw his firearm - threat was over, shooting reeks of revenge and retaliation.

So many times a "shove" or push has arisen in a public setting, words exchanged, and that was that; neither side had any justification for resorting to lethal response, let alone even throwing a punch and rarely ever did.

There are many who carry that perform poorly with the application of their firearm, and to deny that is childish. We have seen the videos, the hot-headed examples, of people that pull a firearm into a situation where none is needed over the most trite of things, and this shove and good pause until he draws his weapon is a good example of one of them.

All my training, all my experience, every aspect of my own life for the long time I've been on this planet that I myself have been the Drejka side of things, I would have been in the wrong and idiotic to have drawn my weapon in that same scenario, long after already on the ground and the other "hot-head" standing their like a mugwump just waiting to be shot.

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[ja308]

Hands. Once. A shove. Then it was done.

Not worthy of lethal response, especially when he fired his shots a good pause after all hands were off, McGlockton was at a distance with no other weapons, wasn't charging and was actually backing away - a push akin to insult and little more as he was sitting calmly on the ground at that point and just as calmly able to draw his firearm - threat was over, shooting reeks of revenge and retaliation.

So many times a "shove" or push has arisen in a public setting, words exchanged, and that was that; neither side had any justification for resorting to lethal response, let alone even throwing a punch and rarely ever did.

There are many who carry that perform poorly with the application of their firearm, and to deny that is childish. We have seen the videos, the hot-headed examples, of people that pull a firearm into a situation where none is needed over the most trite of things, and this shove and good pause until he draws his weapon is a good example of one of them.

All my training, all my experience, every aspect of my own life for the long time I've been on this planet that I myself have been the Drejka side of things, I would have been in the wrong and idiotic to have drawn my weapon in that same scenario, long after already on the ground and the other "hot-head" standing their like a mugwump just waiting to be shot.

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You have been violently shoved without warning by a younger,stronger,ex con? Do tell us more !

[ja308]

Did anybody notice that as soon as the person on the drivers side saw the guy come out of the store he/she aggressively jumped out of the car making it Two on one (that can get the one killed). Still looks like a poor excuse to shoot him because you landed on your bum bum. I guess he never was in a fight and had to use his brains and skills to get out of a problem.

Yes with all respect not everyone can be a skillful fighter like you who can take on younger,larger prison hardend man . Especially after you had been knocked unexpectedly to the ground.

I suggest you offer a class where you teach us to how overcome the shock of being violently knocked down and then get up in a fighting stance to to take on an Ex Con like McGlocton who had done time in state prison for aggravated battery .

[God Bless America]

... who can take on younger,larger prison hardend man.

...an Ex Con like McGlocton who had done time in state prison for aggravated battery .

WTF are you talking about? Where does it say McGlockton ever went to prison?

Prison-hardened? Good grief.

[IVC]

"I'd have fired more than once." And if I saw that video, and was on your jury, you'd be going away for voluntary manslaughter.

Looks like manslaughter to me. At least manslaughter.....The shooter wasn't in imminent danger after he pulled the gun out. The black victim was actually backing away.

At the moment the guy goes to draw the gun the attacker is still approaching. That's the "decision point."

It takes around two seconds to fire the shot, which is the "draw time." In those two seconds the attacker indeed takes a few steps back, but this is after the gun is drawn, the decision to shoot is made and the guy is aiming to ensure he doesn't hit anyone else.

Let's ask a different question. If the assault happened as-is, and Drejka managed to draw and shoot while he is falling down, would you consider it to be a "good shot"? If so, the only question is about the mechanics of the draw and when the decision was made. If not, then we need to look at the legal definition of both "assault" and "self defense."

BTW, you're both wrong about "manslaughter." The victim hasn't been charged with manslaughter because the elements of the crime are not there. It's not my opinion or decision, it's the opinion and the decision of the local DA.