Vang Comp wait times

[Bakerloo]

In my work, new customers wait until the repeat customers are taken care of.
Wouldn't you?

Every time all the time...
Years ago I had an avionics shop. People would have a problem on a Friday that prevented them from leaving for vacation or something else. If they weren't a customer of mine and used a competitor at another airport, I would not do the work.

[SamsDX]

I realize this thread is about their barrel porting services, but is there a similar backlog with their aftermarket parts? I've been trying to see if the detachable side ammunition carrier kit is back in stock (I'm also on the notification list), but it's been about five months since I started looking.

[xblax619]

I realize this thread is about their barrel porting services, but is there a similar backlog with their aftermarket parts? I've been trying to see if the detachable side ammunition carrier kit is back in stock (I'm also on the notification list), but it's been about five months since I started looking.

I was notified a few weeks back that they were in stock for like 2 seconds before selling out again. Don?t recall which version though (Rem870 or Moss500).

[freonr22]

Anyone else find it odd, randy has 28 posts in this thread, defending vang?

[eaglemike]

Anyone else find it odd, randy has 28 posts in this thread, defending vang?

Not really.
I called and spoke with VC a few weeks ago. I think they are doing their best to get caught up. Some stuff happened after they bought the business that affected parts supply, plus the whole supply chain/covid stuff that hit pretty much every similar business. In time they will get caught up.
I understand people's frustration. I can also see it from VC's viewpoint. It's tough.

[lastinline]

Anyone else find it odd, randy has 28 posts in this thread, defending vang?

He should try to get Vang Comp to port the barrels on the new Marlin rifles, seeing how much good things he has to say to say about both.

[madland]

As a technician who relies on repeat customers who happily pay promptly, I absolutely do as Vang Comp has done.

New customers are variables who may never call again and may not pay promptly. They might also bitch about nuances in the completed work.

In my work, new customers wait until the repeat customers are taken care of.

Having heard horror stories about gunsmiths not getting paid for quality work and having had customers not pay me for my quality work and want extra crap done for free because that new customer is "special" I will always follow that business model.
I also take care of my friends and neighbors first, because I have to live with them long after my work is done.

Wouldn't you?

Every time all the time...
Years ago I had an avionics shop. People would have a problem on a Friday that prevented them from leaving for vacation or something else. If they weren't a customer of mine and used a competitor at another airport, I would not do the work.

It sounds like almost everyone has paid in advance so I don't see how you make a customer wait and wait while you take care of a repeat customer. Again, if you had a bunch of free time and no orders waiting to be fulfilled I could see taking care of a repeat customer a bit before a new customer. But in this case you definitely aren't going to gain any repeat customers if this is your business model. Yes VC will still have Randy, but how many others in this thread will continue going there, much less recommend their friends to send their shotguns there.
With everything going on in the country and the world I'd rather stick with my stock-functioning / with slot mods shotgun vs. sending it out for months and not having it when I might need it future race-gun. YMMV

[Ari_d_sparki]

The original design was never meant for the public. It was designed and marketed to military and law enforcement.
Those are their big customers, not the people on this thread who send them one or two in a lifetime.
I'm an odd customer who happens to have four and in a few months will send another.
I doubt anyone here has actually shot a VCS more than a couple of hundred rounds.
I have over 10k through one of mine.
As I offered before, bring your stock shotgun and compare it to mine with whatever ammo you choose.
I've been a customer for 20 years and will always defend their work.

[xblax619]

I realize this thread is about their barrel porting services, but is there a similar backlog with their aftermarket parts? I've been trying to see if the detachable side ammunition carrier kit is back in stock (I'm also on the notification list), but it's been about five months since I started looking.

Just received notification that the mossberg version is in stock. I quickly placed an order because the last time I waited to place my order after work they sold out.

[L-2]

ref. Post 159,
A day later (3/15/23) the Mossberg ammo carrier is out-of-stock, but the Remington kit is still in stock

https://www.vangcomp.com/product/dsac/

(Note, I don't have any of these $110 ammo carrier kits. I've been good with the older-school Tacstar carriers &/or Velcro with Esstac-brand carriers.)

https://www.amazon.com/Tacstar-4-Shot-Carrier-Mossberg-Saddle/dp/B000NKWJ4M

https://www.amazon.com/TacStar-4-Shot-Remington-11-87-Gauge/dp/B0000AZ8LS/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=tacstar+remington&qid=1678913599&s=hunting-fishing&sr=1-5

https://www.amazon.com/Esstac-Round-Tearaway-Shotgun-Multicam/dp/B0BCR4XVFT/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QULH9A686Q14&keywords=esstac%2Bshotgun%2Bcard&qid=1678913514&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=esstac%2Csporting%2C247&sr=1-1&th=1&psc=1

[W.R.Buchanan]

Anyone else find it odd, randy has 28 posts in this thread, defending vang?

Yeah maybe that's why I get such good service? but the other thing is I'm not sending them complete gun builds. I sent in two barrels to be Cera-Koted IE; painted and cooked. I still had to wait for 2 weeks and get them snuck into a batch of 90 Rem 870 guns that were full builds for DHS who pays more, and on time.

I had one of my barrels Ported and the Forcing Cone extended while I watched one Friday afternoon before a Front Sight Class the next day. That was done as a favor to repay some favors I did for them,,, Beyond Defending them here !

If you were looking at a $250K payday would you be concentrating on it, or bothering with Oneseys.?

They are no longer taking on full custom builds for customers. You can buy a complete gun from them but they aren't going to make your gun into one like they already sell.,,, At lest for now.

I got news for you's guys. If you help out gun manufacturers you can get perks from them.

Try reading what I did for Ruger in the Leverguns forum. That relationship started about 10-12 years ago when I got #159 of the first run of Gunsite Scout Rifles and found a significant problem with mine. I called the factory and talked to a guy who is now a good friend and told them what I was seeing. They offered to fix it but I already had, and they were interested in what I did. They looked and found I was right and that got me 6 new Polymer Magazines to Beta Test! I still have them and they are far superior to the steel ones.

I am a "Friend of Ruger" I am also a Friend of Vang Comp.. Friends generally get preferential treatment. I make friends easily, you should try it?

Randy

[W.R.Buchanan]

I doubt anyone here has actually shot a VCS more than a couple of hundred rounds. I have over 10k through one of mine. (Ari-d)

I have about 5000 rounds between 2 guns and that's the reason why I promote them so much. I know exactly what the results are going to be and can articulate it to others.

Look at the "What I did to my Shotguns" Sticky Thread. It should give you some idea, that I have some idea about what I talk about? Maybe?

Randy

[deckhandmike]

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Lets face it, " You" Deckhand Mike, are never going to buy anything from this outfit anyway, and have said so many times. So why bother?

Randy

So you don?t want to make a bet? I figure the money you?d lose would cover the cost of my barrel work. I?d love to run a vang comp against a choked barrel and see the ?results?. I don?t doubt they can tighten groups but I?m dubious they do that much of a better job than a choke. I?m a 100% sure though it?s a very poorly run company and we should be warning fellow shooters that they should be prepared to wait possibly over a year, not singing their praises. I don?t have any beef with Vang Comp but come on. They ain?t got their **** together.

[Ari_d_sparki]

Deckhand Mike, I'll bring one to SLOSA. Which one do you want to play with? The 870, 1300 12ga or 1300 20ga?
The idea behind the design as I've experienced and used is to create a 12" pattern at 25 yards with an unchoked 18" or shorter barrel.
When I was teaching shotgun at WCGC I often used my 1300 Vang to help shooters hit clays at trap.
Most shotguns were too big, heavy and hard recoiling for females and younger folks. Even a 20ga with a 26" barrel was too much.
I put them behind my 12ga 18" VCS and they magically started hitting. The lighter weight, better balance and faster swinging shotgun combined with a tighter pattern and lower recoil makes it perfect for those above for trap. It is too tight for skeet.
Keep in mind that I prefer the Winchester 1200/1300/120 action over the others because of the aluminum receiver, "speed pump" design, and fast, smooth cycling action.
Randy, you and I are talking the same language.

[shovelon]

Deckhand Mike, I'll bring one to SLOSA. Which one do you want to play with? The 870, 1300 12ga or 1300 20ga?
The idea behind the design as I've experienced and used is to create a 12" pattern at 25 yards with an unchoked 18" or shorter barrel.
When I was teaching shotgun at WCGC I often used my 1300 Vang to help shooters hit clays at trap.
Most shotguns were too big, heavy and hard recoiling for females and younger folks. Even a 20ga with a 26" barrel was too much.
I put them behind my 12ga 18" VCS and they magically started hitting. The lighter weight, better balance and faster swinging shotgun combined with a tighter pattern and lower recoil makes it perfect for those above for trap. It is too tight for skeet.
Keep in mind that I prefer the Winchester 1200/1300/120 action over the others because of the aluminum receiver, "speed pump" design, and fast, smooth cycling action.
Randy, you and I are talking the same language.

Mod is generally chosen for Trap, skeet1 for skeet. #8 birdshot would work for both. Is your Vang putting out a mod pattern at 25 yards? Does that change with buckshot? Just curious.