Vang Comp wait times

[DProm]

I own 4 or so Vang Comps. I dropped off my latest project in the beginning of May. I thought I'd have it back by October.
Just the barrel work and adding a dot sight to the barrel.
Still no gun and it was supposed to be ready for our travel season.
I might try to call him and see if it can be ready for Thanksgiving.

What kind of work are you requesting to get done on your barrel?

Just curious as I have been wanting to send in my barrel also for the barrel porting work on it that the website "claims" 30-60 business days and same response when I email to verify lead times.

[deckhandmike]

I can’t even poke fun here anymore in good conscience. What a **** show.

Better question would be has anyone used Wilson combat for the similar service or do they just sub contract to Vang?

[madland]

I can?t even poke fun here anymore in good conscience. What a **** show.

Better question would be has anyone used Wilson combat for the similar service or do they just sub contract to Vang?

If I were a betting man, I would venture a guess to say IF..and a pretty big IF at that..if WC was subbing out their work to VC..that they would stop offering the services on the WC website that they sub out to VC. I would think that they don't want their name/work attached to any sort of cluster-f*** that tarnishes their reputation. Especially if it's extended wait times for work that they say should have a quick turnaround time.

[deckhandmike]

^Thats kinda what I was thinking. Either Wilson cuts you guys in line, does the work themselves or they don?t even offer it anymore. Can?t imagine any other company even trying to work with this kinda schedule.

[Ari_d_sparki]

What kind of work are you requesting to get done on your barrel?

Just curious as I have been wanting to send in my barrel also for the barrel porting work on it that the website "claims" 30-60 business days and same response when I email to verify lead times.

The standard barrel work and adding a dot sight to the barrel itself.
Still haven't gotten around to calling.
I own four of them already. This will be my fifth.
The only one I don't like is the 870 with the factory folder just because the metal butt stock sucks.
Therefore that one is for sale as a collector.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I just talked to Cody this morning and he is quoting 60 days on all barrel work right now. complete builds are Indefinite, as Parts like sights and other small parts are the bottle neck.

Parts sourcing is the biggest problem and is the biggest hold up right now. I am trying to help out finding shops that can do the work but the guy who did all the drawings is an idiot and so all the drawings have to be redone.

When I saw the print for the Rear Sight that the guy in Chino Valley AZ was making, I was blown away he had 4 digit (Tenths) called out on every dimension and +/- .0005 tolerances on everything.( computer generated??? )! Nobody wanted to bid the work!

Anyway,,, luckily simple barrel work is @60 days right now.

Randy

[Ari_d_sparki]

I might ask him do simply do the barrel work and return the gun.

[kilrain]

I just talked to Cody this morning and he is quoting 60 days on all barrel work right now. complete builds are Indefinite, as Parts like sights and other small parts are the bottle neck.

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Anyway,,, luckily simple barrel work is @60 days right now.

Randy

Thanks for the timeframe heads up. I have two barrels I'll be sending in within the next week or two. Did you make it to Thunderstick in Boulder City this year?

[W.R.Buchanan]

No, I wanted to, but life got in the way. Maybe next year.?

Randy

[JagerDog]

I just talked to Cody this morning and he is quoting 60 days on all barrel work right now. complete builds are Indefinite, as Parts like sights and other small parts are the bottle neck.

Parts sourcing is the biggest problem and is the biggest hold up right now. I am trying to help out finding shops that can do the work but the guy who did all the drawings is an idiot and so all the drawings have to be redone.

When I saw the print for the Rear Sight that the guy in Chino Valley AZ was making, I was blown away he had 4 digit (Tenths) called out on every dimension and +/- .0005 tolerances on everything.( computer generated??? )! Nobody wanted to bid the work!

Anyway,,, luckily simple barrel work is @60 days right now.

Randy

Probably my most rewarding job was running a model shop for a startup with a bunch of young engineers. I?d routinely get CAD drawings with decimals to 4 places and no title block to describe tolerances. Never even heard of GDT. Also get square inside corners and pockets.

So the fun part was going back and learning them while I could also learn from them. Do you really need that +/- 0.0005? Nah?.0.005 is fine. What?s fitting in the square pocket that screams EDM? Can we relieve the corners on the male or dog biscuit the female? Ah sure?….that would Work.

So not “idiots”. They just never had to make any of their prints.

[W.R.Buchanan]

So not “idiots”. They just never had to make any of their prints.

No,,, he's an Idiot ! This guy makes the parts that he designed, he just doesn't make them to the Tolerances he puts on the drawings.

He probably wrote them like that so other shops wouldn't bid the work and so far he's been successful with that. He's supposed to be delivering 40 of those rear sights a Week, but so far he's only been able to produce about 40 a month! Currently there is no other source.

I sent the prints to several shops I use and every one "no bid" the work !.

They are having problems hiring people because the new owner(not Cody) doesn't want to pay more than $15/hr. Day Laborers in LV get more than that! And Nobody with any skills is going to work that cheap.

So there's a manpower problem. There's 3 guys there working 10-12 hrs. a day. When Hans owned the place he had 7 guys working, doing one forth the work that they have "In Que" now.

I'm going to be seeing them in person in January when I go to the SHOT Show, adn I will be making suggestions to improve the thru put of the shop.

Randy

[JagerDog]

So not ?idiots?. They just never had to make any of their prints.

No,,, he's an Idiot ! This guy makes the parts that he designed, he just doesn't make them to the Tolerances he puts on the drawings.

He probably wrote them like that so other shops wouldn't bid the work and so far he's been successful with that. He's supposed to be delivering 40 of those rear sights a Week, but so far he's only been able to produce about 40 a month! Currently there is no other source.

I sent the prints to several shops I use and every one "no bid" the work !.

They are having problems hiring people because the new owner(not Cody) doesn't want to pay more than $15/hr. Day Laborers in LV get more than that! And Nobody with any skills is going to work that cheap.

So there's a manpower problem. There's 3 guys there working 10-12 hrs. a day. When Hans owned the place he had 7 guys working, doing one forth the work that they have "In Que" now.

I'm going to be seeing them in person in January when I go to the SHOT Show, adn I will be making suggestions to improve the thru put of the shop.

Randy

I wouldn't ...for $15/hr. 10+x that for consulting. Fixtures and/or dedicated machines where dictated by volume and hire some skill.

[eaglemike]

So not ?idiots?. They just never had to make any of their prints.

No,,, he's an Idiot ! This guy makes the parts that he designed, he just doesn't make them to the Tolerances he puts on the drawings.

He probably wrote them like that so other shops wouldn't bid the work and so far he's been successful with that. He's supposed to be delivering 40 of those rear sights a Week, but so far he's only been able to produce about 40 a month! Currently there is no other source.

I sent the prints to several shops I use and every one "no bid" the work !.

They are having problems hiring people because the new owner(not Cody) doesn't want to pay more than $15/hr. Day Laborers in LV get more than that! And Nobody with any skills is going to work that cheap.

So there's a manpower problem. There's 3 guys there working 10-12 hrs. a day. When Hans owned the place he had 7 guys working, doing one forth the work that they have "In Que" now.

I'm going to be seeing them in person in January when I go to the SHOT Show, adn I will be making suggestions to improve the thru put of the shop.

Randy

I spoke to him maybe a year ago, maybe a little more. Actually bought one of the 590a1 guns from him. He said he thought it was under control soon, but I guess it didn't work out.
I have 4 Brother CNC mills and 2 CNC lathes, one of the a Takisawa with live milling both parallel to either spindle or perpendicular to either spindle.
Not having good prints is a problem, but could be worked out. It would just mean defining the design on paper after a successful first article.
It's hard to make a step like that, changing stuff. Long term it would pay off. But, it's a difficult thing for a while.
I wish them luck.

[Ari_d_sparki]

I dropped my 20ga Defender off in the first week of May.
Mind you, it's my fourth Vang Comp modified gun.
I wanted VCS, porting and an optic mounted to the barrel that I provided.
Cody said 4 months.
A time or two I've mentioned my gun to him in social media.
The last excuse was that there was a problem with the picitanny rail for the barrel.
Last week I reached out and asked why it still isn't done. I made it clear that if he was going to work on it, I wanted it back with the work done by Jan 6 or without any work done by Christmas.

He found my order, stated that the internal work was done but he was waiting to do the porting.
I replied that if he was going to do the porting then I needed it back by Jan 6 and if not, return it as is by Christmas.
I noted that I couldn't figure out why he is able to mount optics to other barrels but not mine but also that I no longer cared.
He told me that the rail or RMR blank that is made will not fit 20g barrels and needs to be recontoured to fit them.
And that there is only one tech that can handle that work.
And that that tech is processing orders from 10/22.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Ari: I told him last Saturday to just send your gun back because it was clear that the barrel fitting was not going to work on a 20ga. and he couldn't fulfill your request in your time frame.

Sorry I couldn't do better for you but they are so swamped that it is impossible to get anything done fast. I have been trying to get them to hire more people but the new owner is not willing to pay what is required so it is, what it is, until he changes his views on operating the company. Cody has Very Little to No Say in this. He is working 12-16 hours a day right now.

Randy