Vang Comp wait times

[DArBad]

Reading through this thread, and wanting a shotgun project good to commemorate my coming retirement, a Vang Comp work picked my interest.

Of equal importance to mention is my new found appreciation for Randy. Hat's off to you man.

[DArBad]

And on to something constructive, Randy since you seem to be close to Cody, maybe it would be a good idea to suggest he hire someone to work the phones and emails to deal with customer inquiries.

That should free up Cody to be able to work more on the shotguns.

[W.R.Buchanan]

And on to something constructive, Randy since you seem to be close to Cody, maybe it would be a good idea to suggest he hire someone to work the phones and emails to deal with customer inquiries.

That should free up Cody to be able to work more on the shotguns.

Thanks for the Nod DArBad. I have been beating on Cody for months to hire some more people. The problem is they can't seem to find anyone who gives a ship about their work to the degree that they would allow them to work on the guns.

They also want someone who is going to stick, and not work for a while and then go do something else at the end of summer. Not much available in the Las Vegas Labor Market other than Illegals that can just barely run a shovel. Plenty of them out there. Very few people that can do what is necessary for this very specialized job..

I will keep after him, but the other side of this is that after the big HHS contract is filled (which will be soon) they won't need the extra Help, so they get someone up to speed and then they have to let them go? Nobody wants that.

[gunhun]

[shovelon]

Did you have the forcing cone lengthened? Is that why it is barely noticeable?

[gunhun]

[W.R.Buchanan]

You will notice a big difference in the Recoil Impulse.

Please tell us what you think after you shoot it..

Randy

[jeffcooper]

Randy- thanks for assisting my friends here. I took a slightly difference route. I wanted the VC treatment on a PA State Police trade I bought 15 years ago for $200. I actually bought two, and my 18 year old son and I reconditioned it with wood. Very clean, nothing fancy. The other, I sent to Cody in November 2021. To avoid back-ordering any parts, I sent a pic-rail, LPA rear and front sights (front to be soldered), port job, forcing cone, safety, etc...Anna a ceracote job. I've had an SGA buttstock here at home for 10 months and it's lonely. I'm not a whnner, but could definitely use some help. I do appreciate wanting to have high quality mods, and try to be patient. :-) I try not to pester Cody too much but surely there will be my 870p at my house in the near future. All my friends here are pretty lucky IMHO. :-) OH, the 870P I did with my son? Runs like a sewing machine!

[jeffcooper]

My boys 870P
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[jeffcooper]

I talked to Cody today and shotty is almost done, but off to Ceracote (BurntBronze) which is outsourced. No date promised, it sounds likebits really close. I'm anxious to show it off!

Randy- thanks for assisting my friends here. I took a slightly difference route. I wanted the VC treatment on a PA State Police trade I bought 15 years ago for $200. I actually bought two, and my 18 year old son and I reconditioned it with wood. Very clean, nothing fancy. The other, I sent to Cody in November 2021. To avoid back-ordering any parts, I sent a pic-rail, LPA rear and front sights (front to be soldered), port job, forcing cone, safety, etc...Anna a ceracote job. I've had an SGA buttstock here at home for 10 months and it's lonely. I'm not a whnner, but could definitely use some help. I do appreciate wanting to have high quality mods, and try to be patient. :-) I try not to pester Cody too much but surely there will be my 870p at my house in the near future. All my friends here are pretty lucky IMHO. :-) OH, the 870P I did with my son? Runs like a sewing machine!

[Ari_d_sparki]

I own four Vang Comp modified shotguns. I love every one of them and find that they recoil significantly less than very expensive autos with 22" barrels.
They are well worth the wait.
Cody is doing what Hans was too tired to do. I'm elated that he is successfully promoting what Hans created.

[shovelon]

I own four Vang Comp modified shotguns. I love every one of them and find that they recoil significantly less than very expensive autos with 22" barrels.
They are well worth the wait.
Cody is doing what Hans was too tired to do. I'm elated that he is successfully promoting what Hans created.

Do you find that lengthening the forcing cone along with the porting is the magic behind the madness?

[Ari_d_sparki]

I quit questioning the process because I know that it is patented.
BUT I do know that yesterday I shot my full custom Vang 870 next to a heavily modified Beretta 1301. The 1301 had been modified to reduce recoil as much as possible for the owner's wife to shoot.
My Vang 870 had less recoil.
I confess, I'm spoiled.
Hans did my first barrel over 20 years ago when he was in Goleta.
It turned my Winchester Defender from a gun I cringed just looking at to a gun that I couldn't put down.
I normally shoot trap with it out to 20 yards.
Next sporting clays, I'll shoot it instead of my Beretta Silver Pigeon.

[Ari_d_sparki]

My boys 870P
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I would send it out for the love it deserves.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Guys the Vang Comp process is similar to the current standard for Clay Target Sporting Shotguns.

Hans Vang was a high end Shotgun Smith in Santa Barbara CA.

The Vang Comp mods for Police Shotguns were developed on Trap Guns before they were common place on factory guns now.

My Citori XT Trap Gun did not have Back Bored Barrels however it was ported and did have a longer forcing cone. As far as I could tell the only thing the porting on that gun did was make it harder to clean the plastic out of the ports as they acted like a cheese grater and it was a major PITB to remove the plastic..

My new Citori CXS, has a long forcing cone, and back bored barrels (.740) but no porting. The recoil on that gun is slightly more noticeable than the XT partly because of the new style Recoil Pad which sucks! I changed it for a Pachmayer Trap pad and it is much better now. The gun weighs 8lbs 10oz so it is not a lightweight.

NOTE: Generic Forcing Cones on inexpensive shotguns are generally 1/2-3/4" long. This abrupt transition from the ID of the Shot Shell Hull to the Bore Diameter, generates an abrupt recoil impulse.(More "Perceived Recoil?")

The Vang Comp Forcing Cone is lengthened to 2 1/2-3" which provides a longer smoother Recoil Impulse.(Less Perceived Recoil."

Note; The amount of recoil is the same. however the length of time from beginning of the push to the end is longer and thus it is perceived to be less violent.

It is "Perceived Recoil" we are talking about. Not Actual "Measurable Recoil" as the payload is the same weight and the velocity of that payload is the same and the weight of the gun is the same ,,, Therefore the amount of Opposite and Equal Reaction must be the same. What is different is the way it is transferred to the gun, which transfers it to the shooter. It just takes longer and thus feels better. We are talking Milliseconds here but you can still feel it, because your Brain/Mind operates at intervals of 40 milliseconds or 25 frames per second. Same as movie projectors at the Cinema

Second is the Back Boring of the Barrels. This amounts to opening the bore diameter from .730 to .740-45. This lessens the resistance on the payload going down the barrel. The gas seal on the wad has to increase in diameter to seal the bore but it only has to expand .005-.008 per side more than with a pure cylinder bore of .730 so there is little or no loss in velocity associated with that mod, however there is, once again, a lessening of Perceived Recoil due to the payload not transferring as much force to the barrel until it gets to the choked section at the Muzzle, and at that point transmitting the Recoil Impulse forward or counteracting the existing Recoil Impulse to the rear. "Less Perceived Recoil."

The Porting on a Single Barrel Gun does have an effect on the muzzle rise, I can attest to that. However it also has an effect on the pattern of the shot as it goes thru the choke by bleeding off the pressure behind the payload just as it hits the choke. Resulting in tighter patterns which was probably the goal back in the day with Trap Guns. If you were shooting Handicap from the 27 yard line, your shots were going to be 50+ yards. Choking the barrel down more than Extra Extra Full (.680) was going to have a negative effect on the pattern, not a positive one, so they were searching for an alternative. (Flight Control Wads?) This worked for Trap Shooters long before FC wads came into being. Hans just transferred the technology to Police Shotguns shooting buckshot.

I don't fully understand this last part, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it certainly does work, and I can attest to that !!!...

Randy

Here's one that is 000 Buck 2x6" at 25 yards.