Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[12voltguy]

Just dropping in to let you guys know that I am back from my vacation and will be doing single shot pistols again.

I figure by now there are so many FFL's in California that are doing them that there is much less need for me to do them. Which is great for me as I really started my business with some other things in mind and when I started doing the single shot pistols they just got out of control. At this point I am happy to help out where I can.

good to see you back

[Strykeback]

So glad to see Ryan is back! Atleast for those that dont have an sse ffl within 2 hours or they wont do the ones I want

[DavidEnt]

I just purchased a Ruger SR1911 online and had it sent to Tracy Rifle and Pistol. They did the SSE for me and I am now the proud owner of a fully functional, semi-automatic Ruger .45

[IncVoid]

SSE fud

Was reading A thread about a guy bringing his ak pistol to a range. Triggered my SSE fud.

Only fact I know is, he said he contacted the DOJ, thus this concerns me other FFL's could follow and become a trend? Who knows. But, your right. Be only upset with the facts, and thus I am.

I don't want the DOJ thinking even the FFL's don't like it
I like people doing what is legal. But disagree with "keep doing it until it is legal", even tho it was legal in the first place

I don't think it works this way, but, I really don't want DOJ polling the stores and ranges for what they think should be legal and not. Election results has me questioning What I think gun owners opinions are ha.


I have an SS AR pistol. Manufactured with a 0-round sled mag. I put a gas tube on it and a 10 rounder. I have already been arrested with it and got it back. 2 Months after the Arrest. Based on this, I'd say it is currently legal, Regardless of DOJ deeming legal or not, they have documents that it had a gas tube and a 10 round mag in it at the time. So they clearly would hit me for "manufacturing" if that is what they want to determine at a later time. So I might as well keep the gas tube upper and 10 rounder in it.

This is more of a legal advice question I guess, should I stop putting 10 rounders in it? The 2A/CalGuns in me says keep using it until it is explicitly ruled illegal, and keep writing senators not to vote to make it illegal.

I do agree that rebranding a ruger pistol your own with a longer barrel can be done andis manufacturing by the right FFL, but can never be "remanufactured" into a "ruger" pistol on the dros sheet. Dropping in a rebranded ruger

But people are putting "drop in barrels" to make length requirements for the exemption correct? and Barrel swaps are not "manufacturing".


Due to the nature of the AR, I can take off the original upper, gas tube capable or not(depending on your SS Variant). Replace with an UPPER with a gas tube, and that still is not manufacturing correct? 2 pins. Uppers are "drop in parts" and thus would be legal, I mean no "Manufacturing" Charges. If I put a different slide on a 1911 am I manufacturing?

Sadly I don't know what "new" models of 1911's need LCI's and other disconnects and what not.After market slide manufacturers don't need to submit their slide for testing?

Is it illegal to defeat handgrip trigger disconnects or LCI'S on pistols, or magazine disconnects?

"Fixed magazine capacity of zero" Sounds like single shot, but still has an ability to "feed"
Single "round" wouldn't be appropriate because bolt actions can have magazines correct? It never mentions capacity, just single shot, maybe they should have defined it as "hand ejected" I dunno. Thank god they didn't.

Does the safety requirements law go bye bye if it doesn't define "single shot pistol" at all? What is needed for them to legally define it another bill/amendment to the penal code?

Of course don't want to borrow an old junk gun or some half *** configured AR pistol that spits out exhaust towards my face cause the gas tube is removed. But if I configure it myself that is on me.

I think I convinced myself my firearm is STILL legal.

[Cyc Wid It]

I think I convinced myself my firearm is STILL legal.

And there you have it.

[Ls1FALimpala]

Atlantic has a fal pistol I want. Doesn't have a bb or a no shot mag. But they will be willing to install it prior to shipping it to ca. My question is can any fll do the transfer and it comes with a flashhider is that a problem?

[Cyc Wid It]

Yes they can, doesn't mean they will.

[TheCorporation]

Thank you for this thread and your contributions. It helped me get a Glock 19, all the while educating me about our state laws.

[schmeling31]

Any local So.Cal. Shops doing the work yet?

I've been told that they will do this at IslandView/Ventura Guns here in soCal, by one of there reps

[kemasa]

But people are putting "drop in barrels" to make length requirements for the exemption correct? and Barrel swaps are not "manufacturing".

Look at the BATF FAQ for manufacturing:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/manufacturers.html

For example, a drop in trigger is considered manufacturing. This means that manufacturing is not what you think it is, plus you need to also understand that manufacturing in regards to the BATF also requires that it is being done for sale or distribution, PLUS it has to be done more than once.

So, a barrel swap *might* be considered manufacturing, which would mean that it would be required to be stamped with the name of the company doing it, not that it would be illegal unless the proper process is done.

I think I convinced myself my firearm is STILL legal.

Yes, it is most likely legal, but how it was done might not be legal.

There are State and Federal laws which need to be followed and some of which do not make sense. I don't think that most of what the FAQ says is manufacturing is actually manufacturing, plus I don't think that most FFLs doing it are actually marking the firearm as required, nor dealing with the serial number issue with respect to manufacturing either.

[Cyc Wid It]

This issue keeps getting brought up every few pages, so I apparently need to keep repeating myself. Until a lawyer who is part of the CGF tells me otherwise, the information will remain unchanged.

READ THE ORIGINAL POSTS.

[IncVoid]

Look at the BATF FAQ for manufacturing:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/manufacturers.html

Yes, it is most likely legal, but how it was done might not be legal.

There are State and Federal laws which need to be followed and some of which do not make sense. I don't think that most of what the FAQ says is manufacturing is actually manufacturing, plus I don't think that most FFLs doing it are actually marking the firearm as required, nor dealing with the serial number issue with respect to manufacturing either.

Got mine from QD.
"Quentin Defense is a fully licensed type 07 federal firearms manufacturer & class 02 SOT." done by an 07, which to my understanding they manufactured the firearm specifically to be single shot.

[MotoriousRacing]

I just purchased my first handgun (on-roster BuckMark) and am already wanting a G19 Gen4 FDE. I believe I understand the SSE and the gunsmithing, but this is what bother's me.

FAQ

Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.???

Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?

[Strykeback]

When you go to pick up your sse pistol your going to convert it back and give the shop their extended barrel back right then and there. No issues. Itl be stock from factory and no one will have any questions. Congrats on the fde. I was eyeing a FDE gen 4 17 the other day.

[mrdd]

I just purchased my first handgun (on-roster BuckMark) and am already wanting a G19 Gen4 FDE. I believe I understand the SSE and the gunsmithing, but this is what bother's me.

Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.???

Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?

Perhaps are misunderstanding the use of the SSE. The item needs to be DROS'd in an exempt configuration to get the exemption from the roster. The conversion is done for that purpose alone. The intent is to use it in the factory configuration, not the exempt configuration.

Why would you expect to be hassled? There are other legal ways to end up with an off-roster configuration, and no one has any reason to question those. You acquired it legally, so what is the problem?