Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[randoma]

I may be moving to California next year - after the SSE expires. I currently own several AR15's as well as an AR15 pistol with an AOW stamp (for a VFG) and an AR15 pistol without the stamp. I also own a few off roster pistols.

My understanding is that all of the AR type firearms will require a bullet button and are limited to 10 round magazine, but otherwise are allowed to have 'evil' features such as pistol grip, threaded barrel..etc.

From the flow chart, I think that both AR15 pistols will be allowed with a bullet button, but I'm not sure?

All of the other off roster pistols should be fine as long as they have <10 round magazines?

[NatetheGr8]

In regards to a Ar pistol that I want to buy I saw a 10rd pmag that was blocked to 0rds in the pistol is that legal? Also after purchasing it I assume the shop will unblock the pmag and come with the purchase;can I use it after the 10day wait?

[HibikiR]

That 0rd mag is part of the Single Shot Exemption kit so it's legal for now. Once you take delivery of the AR they'll tell you how to undo everything.

[NatetheGr8]

That 0rd mag is part of the Single Shot Exemption kit so it's legal for now. Once you take delivery of the AR they'll tell you how to undo everything.

Would it be ok if I kept the mag the way it is and sell it to someone, like my friend who plans on building a 80% lower into a ar pistol so that he himself can essentially SSE his build when the time comes?

[HibikiR]

Depends on the FFL, they might need it to make another AR pistol for somebody else. If they let you have it then yes since SSE kits have no restrictions (this year) that I know of.

[FlyBum]

Hi,

I am new to handgun ownership and there is a pistol I want to purchase that is off roster. A local dealer told me I could have the pistol shipped to him and he would handle the transfer and SSE. Please forgive me if I am using the incorrect verbiage. I of course need to do this before the end of the year. He then explained when I am able to pick up the gun I could take out the door of the shop turn around and they would convert to back to OEM so that it no longer single shot. He explained that there is no law against doing this.

He told me the transfer and SSE would come to $85 and that also includes the conversion back to OEM. Does any of this sound right?

[97F1504RAD]

Hi,

I am new to handgun ownership and there is a pistol I want to purchase that is off roster. A local dealer told me I could have the pistol shipped to him and he would handle the transfer and SSE. Please forgive me if I am using the incorrect verbiage. I of course need to do this before the end of the year. He then explained when I am able to pick up the gun I could take out the door of the shop turn around and they would convert to back to OEM so that it no longer single shot. He explained that there is no law against doing this.

He told me the transfer and SSE would come to $85 and that also includes the conversion back to OEM. Does any of this sound right?

Yes

[Mnofstl007]

Looking for a shop near Riverside/Corona that will let me ship this to them and SSE it? http://www.impactguns.com/eaa-witnes...566111433.aspx

Anyone know a nearby shop that will work with EAA pistols?

[dyson]

Would it be ok if I kept the mag the way it is and sell it to someone, like my friend who plans on building a 80% lower into a ar pistol so that he himself can essentially SSE his build when the time comes?

The FFL will keep the modified pmag and give you a new one. Tell your friend to just make his own.

[Moia Man]

Realize that other than the so-called a-salt weapons, all firearms are legal in CA. The issue with the certified list is that it restricts transfers unless the buyer or firearm is exempt. Converting the firearm to single shot makes it exempt from the certified list (currently).

If your FFL as a so-called high capacity magazine permit, it is legal for them to accept such magazines. The FFL can convert the magazine to 10 rounds, or even sell the magazines for you, so there is little reason to not have the magazines shipped. Whether you can get the seller to ship the magazines is another issue, but it is not a legal issue.

I wasn't able to acquire this specific handgun due to the seller backing off the transaction due to the magazine high capacity issue and the seller not fully understanding the FFL's high capacity license. However i found another seller willing to ship the same pistol with the 2 magazine included. Should i be worried about the HK VP70's total length (@ 8.01 inches) not making the SSE requirement? Sorry but I don't fully understand SSE Explanation above:

Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.

(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal

Thanks again for any feedback.

[kemasa]

Typically the barrel is replaced with a longer barrel to make to overall length what it is needed to be in order to qualify for the SSE.

[HibikiR]

Or a ~10" .25ACP barrel is inserted into the bore of the existing barrel.

[Moia Man]

So its my understanding that after the SSE and the 10 day waiting period that i should get the pistol in its original configuration without any modification except for the 2 magazines which will have the limiter installed and possibly pinned by my dealer and it will be CA. legal? Thanks again for the clarification.

[HibikiR]

Pretty much, though the dealer will usually have you take the SSE kit out and return it to its normal configuration for legal reasons. It's easy enough.

[kemasa]

The firearm has to be delivered in the SSE configuration. After it is delivered, you can make changes to it or you can have others make changes to it.