Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

[LiferLance]

So as long as I complete the registration, keep them in a legal configuration, and don't bring illegal mags, I'm good? That's what I was thinking but before I do something potentially illegal, I had to ask.

[kemasa]

So as long as I complete the registration, keep them in a legal configuration, and don't bring illegal mags, I'm good? That's what I was thinking but before I do something potentially illegal, I had to ask.

Based on what I was told by the CA DOJ, that is correct. You can contact them to confirm that, but realize that you can get "alternate" answers.

[LiferLance]

Yeah. I figured as much. I'll shoot them a call later and see if I can't get a letter stating its okay or something.

[California44]

Can an SSE gun be used as my ccw?

[Cyc Wid It]

In theory: yes.
In practice: usually yes.

What county? And was your gun properly DROS'ed?

[California44]

In theory: yes.
In practice: usually yes.

What county? And was your gun properly DROS'ed?

I plan applying in the next few months. I'm in Orange County. When you say 'properly DROS'ed', is there a way other than the normal way (i.e., what is required)?

[kemasa]

Some departments refuse to allow you to have a firearm your CCW if it was transferred to you as a SSE. There is no law about this, so they can get away with it.

[anoldguy]

One of my 3 listed on my CCW is a firearme I SSE'd because I liked the size, caliber, and safety features. Just so happens that it had been on the California Roster until 2009 and wasn't renewed (bought a new one in early 2011). I'd have no problem going toe-to-toe with the issuing department if they tried to say that just because I went through the SSE process to get a previously approved weapon, that I couldn't have it on my permit now. It would make no sense, in light of the fact I could have bought a used one (and was about to but decided on buying new) in a Face-to-Face PPT and no difference in weapons.
My 2 cents worth.
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[dwightlooi]

Listen guys... End of this year is the "convenient" dateline for acquiring firearms that do not have all the detrimental features CA is trying to force on us. The keywords here are convenient and acquiring.

Acquiring

If is perfectly legal for an off-roster handgun, that is not otherwise classified as an assault weapon, to be brought into the state of California by an out of state resident then kept in California. You can keep it if you become a California resident. It is just that no sale can occur to a California Resident within California and no transfer can occur to a California resident unless it is between family members. You can register it after it is imported. It is then transferable just like any gun you bought in CA 20 years ago before there is any such nonsense as a roster.

Convenient

Legally, if you want an off roster handgun you can become an Arizona resident, buy the gun in Arizona as an Arizonian, then bring it to CA and become Californian again and register the gun. The gun will be perfectly legal to retain in CA and will be transferable afterwards. To buy a gun in another state you'll need an address, a bill and a driver's license from that state -- none of which are difficult or illegal to obtain. It is just that 99% of people will find that too much of a hassle for the purpose of owning a particular handgun. But, if it is NOT too much trouble for you, it is entirely legal and entirely moral (IMHO) to switch state residency and back specifically for the purpose of getting a handgun your legislators want to ban. This is still a free country in the sense that you don't need just cause and/or anyone's permission to move from state to state be it for an hour or a decade.

Having said that, if the roster is not preventing you from getting your preferred weapon of choice. If all it is doing is preventing you from getting it without the detrimental features -- loaded chamber indicator (which may snag on clothing), magazine disconnect (which prevents you from firing the chambered round during a tactical reload) and microstamping (which marks shell casings either with the firing pin or chamber) -- feel free to modify and defeat those features after you buy the gun. Replacing the extractor, replacing the firing pin/barrel and/or pinning the disconnect are all perfectly legal. You just have to do it.

[bigbob76]

Listen guys... End of this year is the "convenient" dateline for acquiring firearms that do not have all the detrimental features CA is trying to force on us. The keywords here are convenient and acquiring.

Acquiring

If is perfectly legal for an off-roster handgun, that is not otherwise classified as an assault weapon, to be brought into the state of California by an out of state resident then kept in California. You can keep it if you become a California resident. It is just that no sale can occur to a California Resident within California and no transfer can occur to a California resident unless it is between family members. You can register it after it is imported. It is then transferable just like any gun you bought in CA 20 years ago before there is any such nonsense as a roster.

Convenient

Legally, if you want an off roster handgun you can become an Arizona resident, buy the gun in Arizona as an Arizonian, then bring it to CA and become Californian again and register the gun. The gun will be perfectly legal to retain in CA and will be transferable afterwards. To buy a gun in another state you'll need an address, a bill and a driver's license from that state -- none of which are difficult or illegal to obtain. It is just that 99% of people will find that too much of a hassle for the purpose of owning a particular handgun. But, if it is NOT too much trouble for you, it is entirely legal and entirely moral (IMHO) to switch state residency and back specifically for the purpose of getting a handgun your legislators want to ban. This is still a free country in the sense that you don't need just cause and/or anyone's permission to move from state to state be it for an hour or a decade.

Having said that, if the roster is not preventing you from getting your preferred weapon of choice. If all it is doing is preventing you from getting it without the detrimental features -- loaded chamber indicator (which may snag on clothing), magazine disconnect (which prevents you from firing the chambered round during a tactical reload) and microstamping (which marks shell casings either with the firing pin or chamber) -- feel free to modify and defeat those features after you buy the gun. Replacing the extractor, replacing the firing pin/barrel and/or pinning the disconnect are all perfectly legal. You just have to do it.

If I had more energy I would argue a couple of your points.

[Dan FS71]

Thinking about doing a few pistol builds before time runs out. AK or AR and 1911. I am pretty sure the AK and AR have to be marked, numbered and registered before January 1st when SSE ends.

Am I correct so far?


Not sure about the 1911 goes though.

Same deal as the AK/AR pistol build? Is it okay to build and register at anytime?


I'm not looking for a "legal guarantee". Just trying to get a better understanding of what is involved and if I need to make these builds a priority.

[XD40Kyle]

Depends what you mean build, if from an 80% there no registration or any marks/number needed

[Dan FS71]

Depends what you mean build, if from an 80% there no registration or any marks/number needed

Yep,
Everything being built from 80%ers. So the AK/AR build doesn't need to be 'on paper' either just build as a single shot before the end of the year?

Thought pistols had to be on paper?

[CK_32]

Anyone know the cheapest place to have a SSE/CA complaint AR pistol shipped to?


So far Rifle Gear at $60+$25+ sales tax is the best I can find for a out of state SSE ready transfer.

I'm in the HB/FV area. Trying to find the cheapest shop for the OTD price after fees.

[Dan FS71]

Anyone know the cheapest place to have a SSE/CA complaint AR pistol shipped to?


So far Rifle Gear at $60+$25+ sales tax is the best I can find for a out of state SSE ready transfer.

I'm in the HB/FV area. Trying to find the cheapest shop for the OTD price after fees.

Last I checked rifle gear WILL NOT do SSE's for guns THEY do not order. Better call before you have it shipped.