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  • theLBC
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2017
    • 7587

    Originally posted by ysr_racer
    What does "pinning the trigger to the rear" mean? I've never heard that phrase.
    i think some might also call this "follow through".
    seems the idea is that some people "relax" as soon as the trigger breaks, and this can allow some movement before the round exits the barrel.
    pinning the trigger ensures you are keeping everything together until the round is on it's way to the target.

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    • crufflers
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jul 2011
      • 12723

      12K likes, 321 comments - knockoutlights on May 15, 2019: "There’s fundamentals of marksmanship and there’s fundamentals of fighting. Most firefights on the street aren’t precision single shots to the face. They’re incapacitation through volume. At close contact distances, there is very little skill that is needed to point your weapon, press the trigger and successfully hit the target. Don’t believe me? Try it. This has been my experience, not suggesting any of this will work for you. I would be interested to know from those of you who have practiced this force on force at close contact distances. When a gun is pointed at you, what tactics were you able to deploy that prevented you from being shot and if your experiences were similar to mine? @sigsauerinc @gcodeholsters @rubberdummies @actiontarget #fighting #ccw #edc #mindset #concealedcarry #tactics #forceonforce #armed #gunfight".

      swipe to second part of post also

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      • tanks
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 4038

        Originally posted by 'ol shooter
        ...Jerry Miculek is so fast because he,
        ...
        (b) Pops off a couple thousand rounds a day on his private range right outside his door, with all the ammo provided by his sponsors.
        He casts his own bullets by the ton and reloads.
        "... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
        "A set of ivory tusks speaks of a life well lived." - Unknown

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        • tanks
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2014
          • 4038

          Originally posted by Harry Ono
          Hollywood hires the best trainers. You and I cant hire the best at $200-300/hr for several days a week. ...
          Actually, some of the best competitive shooters in the world charge only $5-600 per day for private instruction.
          "... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
          "A set of ivory tusks speaks of a life well lived." - Unknown

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          • tbc
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2011
            • 5955

            how does one shoot so fast??

            $500 to $600 a day is chump change LOL.

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            • crufflers
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jul 2011
              • 12723

              Originally posted by tanks
              Actually, some of the best competitive shooters in the world charge only $5-600 per day for private instruction.
              A day (8 hours) of one-on-one @$70-$80 an hour sounds reasonable.

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              • anonymouscuban
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2017
                • 1440

                Originally posted by tanks
                Actually, some of the best competitive shooters in the world charge only $5-600 per day for private instruction.
                Actually. Many of the top shooter classes are 2 day events for that price. It's group training but the classes are typically under 10 people and I have heard good things.

                Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

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                • IVC
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 17640

                  Originally posted by ysr_racer
                  You guys know he's talking about .20 (point two) seconds, and I'm talking about 20 (twenty) seconds, right?

                  Now I get it... I completely missed it .
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                  • IVC
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 17640

                    Originally posted by cindynles
                    Yep, magic. No way anyone could shoot that fast without the muzzle jumping all over the place. Look at the muzzle on my gun when I try to go fast, its all over the place.........
                    You forgot to mention that you are a USPSA Single Stack Master...
                    sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                    • ysr_racer
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 12014

                      Originally posted by theLBC
                      i think some might also call this "follow through".
                      seems the idea is that some people "relax" as soon as the trigger breaks, and this can allow some movement before the round exits the barrel.
                      pinning the trigger ensures you are keeping everything together until the round is on it's way to the target.
                      You know the bullet is long gone, before the gun moves, right?

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                      • IVC
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 17640

                        Originally posted by crufflers
                        I dunno if it is cutting corners, but TTI sure does get hollyweird stars looking decent pretty fast. I think expensive one-on-one expert training would be a fast track.
                        Those targets are designed for fast shooting at close range. Notice that you don't have hard transitions, partials, no-shoots, distant poppers, tuxedos, plate racks or swingers.

                        It's supposed only to look good and it does. From outfit to speed...
                        sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                        • IVC
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 17640

                          Originally posted by ysr_racer
                          What does "pinning the trigger to the rear" mean? I've never heard that phrase.
                          If you hold the trigger to the back after you have fired and only reset it after the gun comes back on target.
                          sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                          • IVC
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 17640

                            Originally posted by theLBC
                            i think some might also call this "follow through".
                            seems the idea is that some people "relax" as soon as the trigger breaks, and this can allow some movement before the round exits the barrel.
                            pinning the trigger ensures you are keeping everything together until the round is on it's way to the target.
                            The concern is not really that anything will happen between the trigger pull and the time the bullet exists the barrel. That time is extremely short. Also, obviously, nothing that the shooter does after the bullet leaves the barrel will affect its trajectory in any way.

                            Follow through is "applying the fundamentals throughout the trigger pull," with the idea being that you don't consider the trigger break as the end of the shot, but as a transient event during the trigger pull. However, it's not because you need to "guide the bullet after the shot" or anything related to what happens during the bullet's travel through the barrel. It's because you need to accept recoil as part of the shoot and simply let it happen, instead of trying to do something about it just prior to the trigger release and messing up sight alignment.

                            In other words, if you flinch on a static shot, it's the lack of follow through. You anticipated recoil and tried to change what you're doing in preparation for it. There are other examples too.
                            sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                            • IVC
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 17640

                              Originally posted by ysr_racer
                              All A's?
                              Probably. That's a very close target. Remember that wide angle camera makes it look further than it is, and it already looks close - that target is at 6 (six) feet.

                              You can look up "Can You Count?" classifier. It's about pure speed - draw, splits and reload. The name, though, is about requiring five rounds instead of six. Get's funny when upper level shooters instinctively send six and don't even notice...
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                              • IVC
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 17640

                                Originally posted by AFTII
                                This is my "beef" with the competitive shooting sports. Sit down and strap in, its going to be a while.
                                What you are essentially saying is that to make it realistic one needs to be slow and inaccurate - I'll counter that anything that you learn in any class, any technique or strategy, will be much more effective if you can execute it at speed and accurately.

                                In my last match I had fun time talking to one of the Masters on my squad about how to shoot an array with some small/hard steel and I said "I'll just have to go slower here," to which he said "no, you just need to be accurate." Frustrating observation, but he was completely right...
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