how does one shoot so fast??

[rodralig]

You can look up "Can You Count?" classifier. It's about pure speed - draw, splits and reload. The name, though, is about requiring five rounds instead of six. Get's funny when upper level shooters instinctively send six and don't even notice...

First time, and so far the only time, that I did the Can You Count was last April... Hhhmmm... It's kinda awkward when you don't get the chance or opportunity to practice rapid fire (as opposed to pairs). And as you've said, some shooters did get penalties for sending more than 5 rounds downrange.

Bungled that first reload... Got a mid-"B" here with a G34.3.

Seeing this again - definitely slow! Definitely much room to improve!




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[GlockN'Roll]

Ask Jerry...


https://youtu.be/WyIq9FdTgwM




https://youtu.be/WzHG-ibZaKM

[rodralig]

so been watching some videos that multiple actors/actresses did for training for the movie john wick 3, also other videos of people in competitions. how do they shoot like they are shooting 22lr pistols?? it seems like there is barely any recoil at all when they shoot? is it the gun or the people or both??

Maybe start from getting good instruction?

... this just arrived in my Inbox, so, am sharing it to the broader audience:

https://ctala.com/product/the-fundamentals-of-fast-september-26-27-2019/

This is a class in Piru that will be taught by Frank Proctor, "The Fundamentals of Fast."



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[Mustard]

Seeing this again - definitely slow! Definitely much room to improve!




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The bullet doesn't lie, but the camera adds 10 lbs, hahaha. Last month's local match was the first time I ran a GoPro; it's definitely eye opening to see how slow you really are when you feel like you're going light speed.

[IVC]

Bungled that first reload... Got a mid-"B" here with a G34.3.

Seeing this again - definitely slow! Definitely much room to improve!

Let's be real - mid "B" is neither bad nor slow. Any "B" shooter is a very good shooter and can dominate shooters at any local range (shooters who don't compete).

I didn't run your video through the "Shot Coach" app so I can't tell the times, but at a glance it seems that the draw is good, splits are only about 5-10 slow and reloads are the primary area of improvement. You control the gun well and keep that finger outside the trigger guard while reloading.

Looking at classifier calculator, for "B" class you need to be clean in 10.4 seconds, while for "A" you need it clean in 8.3 and for "Master" in 7.35. So, for "Master" you need 1 second draw, 1 second reload and 0.2 splits (3.6s per string). Fumble the two reloads by 0.5 and have a single slightly longer split and you're a "B." My point is that "B" is not bad at all.

[IVC]

Last month's local match was the first time I ran a GoPro; it's definitely eye opening to see how slow you really are when you feel like you're going light speed.

Get and learn an app such as "Shot Coach" by Max Mitchell, import your video and mark everything from shots to movement. You must know what those times are in the same way that you must know what your draw and reload times are by using a timer.

Sometimes what feels slow is not bad at all when you look at the numbers, and sometimes what looks fast is quite slow because you might be seeing fast movement that is inefficient. Timer and precise measurements are your friends.

[rodralig]

I didn't run your video through the "Shot Coach" app so I can't tell the times, but at a glance it seems that the draw is good, splits are only about 5-10 slow and reloads are the primary area of improvement.

For the splits, I have just incorporated in my routine a dry practice drill from Steve Anderson. Let us see how that goes... In this classifier, I think I was counting in my head - I think that was slowing it down... Never had the chance nor opportunity to do rapid fire in practice. I don't know what "5 rounds" instinctively feels like...

For the reloads - how else can I be faster, smoother with this? I have been pushing in my dry practice, but can't seem to progress any faster.

You control the gun well and keep that finger outside the trigger guard while reloading.

I will have to thank daily dry practice on that...

Get and learn an app such as "Shot Coach" by Max Mitchell, import your video and mark everything from shots to movement. You must know what those times are in the same way that you must know what your draw and reload times are by using a timer.

Whoa!?! Didn't know such an app exists! Have always wanted to capture my match/live fire performance. What I do is use the DAA ShotMaxx2 in accelerometer mode. Unfortunately, it is not as precise nor accurate as I want it to be...

Thanks again for the tips, as always!


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[k1dude]

Get and learn an app such as "Shot Coach" by Max Mitchell

Is this for iPhone only? I see nothing in the Play Store.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

If you take the same course of fire and movement with steel plates versus plain targets, it will seem much more impressive since all of the hits on steel will offer auditory feedback, regardless of dead center or glancing hits.

The exact same scenario with paper bullseye targets will be a snoozefest to watch and will reveal lousy groupings when the targets are reviewed. .

[anonymouscuban]

Is this for iPhone only? I see nothing in the Play Store.

Yup. IOS only. I have it on my iPad.

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[Mustard]

Get and learn an app such as "Shot Coach" by Max Mitchell, import your video and mark everything from shots to movement. You must know what those times are in the same way that you must know what your draw and reload times are by using a timer.

Sometimes what feels slow is not bad at all when you look at the numbers, and sometimes what looks fast is quite slow because you might be seeing fast movement that is inefficient. Timer and precise measurements are your friends.

The app looks interesting, but i can't seem to find it for android. I'll look more when i get home.

Even reviewing plain video i can see little mistakes being made here and there; meh splits, mediocre transitions, stage plan/ execution critiques, not being explosive enough on moving from shooting position to shooting position, passing up opportunities to move-n-shoot. I don't get data, but i do get a sense of "oh i could have saved a few seconds on the stage if i'd done xyz".

[IVC]

Is this for iPhone only? I see nothing in the Play Store.

Might be - I have an iPhone, so I don't know what's available cross-platform.

[anonymouscuban]

If you take the same course of fire and movement with steel plates versus plain targets, it will seem much more impressive since all of the hits on steel will offer auditory feedback, regardless of dead center or glancing hits.



The exact same scenario with paper bullseye targets will be a snoozefest to watch and will reveal lousy groupings when the targets are reviewed. .

How do you define lousy groupings when shooting at these speeds?

All A-zone with 1 or 2 close Charlies is the goal and what I would call great shooting.

Most shooters I know will tell you that shooting steel plates is more difficult that shooting an open paper target.

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[IVC]

In this classifier, I think I was counting in my head - I think that was slowing it down... Never had the chance nor opportunity to do rapid fire in practice. I don't know what "5 rounds" instinctively feels like...

What i found to work for me is not counting, but "visualizing" a rhythm with slight delay after 2 or 3 rounds: "pa.., pa...., pa.., pa.., pa.." You go through it fast in your head and make the small pause shorter until you get the uniform string, but you still "see" it as a combo of "2 then 3" or "3 then 2."

This is something that I use even if I have to count quickly for any reason - instead of counting to, say, seven, I would count "1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1." Just seems to be easier than to fumble a lot of numbers, skip the beat and miss the count.

[IVC]

Even reviewing plain video i can see little mistakes being made here and there; meh splits, mediocre transitions, stage plan/ execution critiques, not being explosive enough on moving from shooting position to shooting position, passing up opportunities to move-n-shoot. I don't get data, but i do get a sense of "oh i could have saved a few seconds on the stage if i'd done xyz".

What you get with the app is that you can find the exact moment when an action happens by using "jog," label it, then find the next moment when the next action happens and you'll see the exact amount of time that has passed.

For example, you can analyze reload by looking at the time from the last shot until your support hands starts moving, then the time until you get new magazine to magwell, etc. Another very good analysis is to tag the moment when a target is visible, then measure the time until the gun fires - you'll normally see the time it takes to slow down, stabilize, get the gun ready and fire. It will be painfully obvious if your gun is low and you watch in slow motion how long it takes for that gun to get up to your line of sight and fire.