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  • theLBC
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2017
    • 7154

    Originally posted by ysr_racer
    You know the bullet is long gone, before the gun moves, right?


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    • ysr_racer
      Banned
      • Mar 2006
      • 12014

      Here you go, the bullet is long gone

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      • crufflers
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jul 2011
        • 12723

        Right. If you flinch WHILE you are pulling the trigger or allow the trigger pull to move the gun around, you see pulled shots. Its all trigger control.

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        • theLBC
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Oct 2017
          • 7154

          Originally posted by ysr_racer
          Here you go, the bullet is long gone

          there is a finite amount of time in the barrel after it fires. it is not immediate.

          obviously it depends on the charge and length of the barrel.

          you might think that .0005 seconds is so fast, the gun moving doesn't matter, but if the gun is moving laterally at 25 mph, it would move ~1/4" between the time the round goes off and the bullet exits the barrel.

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          • anonymouscuban
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 1440

            Originally posted by IVC
            In my last match I had fun time talking to one of the Masters on my squad about how to shoot an array with some small/hard steel and I said "I'll just have to go slower here," to which he said "no, you just need to be accurate." Frustrating observation, but he was completely right...
            I'm lucky enough to shoot and train with a Master shooter. I make the mistake of saying I need to slow down for this array or that. He always tells me the same. Haha.

            I have learned to be more precise with my words. I don't need to shoot slower, I need to see a better sight picture before breaking the shot. Thing is that when I say slow, this what I actually mean. But I get what he's trying to do and that's remove the concept of slowing down from my subconscious.







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            • cindynles
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 2806

              Originally posted by ysr_racer
              All A's?
              You bet, but the target is pretty close.

              Originally posted by IVC
              You forgot to mention that you are a USPSA Single Stack Master...
              Guilty, but my point is still valid. It doesn't take move magic to control muzzle rise, just technique and practice.
              "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B.Franklin,1759

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              • HooYah
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 1575

                Just watch a bunch of "instructional" videos by that skinny dork from TREX Arms on Youtube.

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                • crufflers
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 12723

                  Originally posted by HooYah
                  Just watch a bunch of "instructional" videos by that skinny dork from TREX Arms on Youtube.
                  Botkin, hahah. That's a guy that seems like all he does is practice. He has some good points about building speed, like concentrating on having "a sense of urgency", and getting a timer.



                  Last edited by crufflers; 06-06-2019, 3:20 PM.

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                  • tanks
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2014
                    • 4038

                    Originally posted by IVC
                    If you hold the trigger to the back after you have fired and only reset it after the gun comes back on target.
                    And that makes for real slow shooting. Usually one wants the reset the trigger during recoil, so once the gun comes back down one is ready to shoot again.
                    "... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
                    "A set of ivory tusks speaks of a life well lived." - Unknown

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                    • IVC
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 17628

                      Originally posted by crufflers
                      ..., and getting a timer.
                      By far the most important gadget (don't use app, get a real timer).

                      It's like bathroom scales - you might not like the numbers it displays today, but it will tell you precisely where you're at and will objectively track your progress as you continue your training.
                      sigpicNRA Benefactor Member

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                      • Stumpfenhammer
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 1019

                        RE: Shooting fast like the actors trained by Taran. -- It's not the gear. Bob Vogel has won Nationals with a stock Glock. The right classes are helpful but you can get to a very high level (possibly GM, certainly A Class) just by training yourself with the right youtube videos (Start with Rob Vogel's if you don't know who else to watch, you'll figure out who to watch on your own after that). Then dry-fire, dry-fire, dry-fire....Steve Anderson's dry fire book and youtube videos can show you the way. There is no magic, and everything you need is free on the Internet if you look for it.

                        RE: Combat Shooting - A CCW class is good to understand the law and ramifications of a shooting, and some are better than others, but the four I've been in were not the most expeditious way to develop that skillset and the mindset and stress inoculation needed to stand and deliver under pressure. They can get you started, and you should do one even if you can't get a CCW, but they really are very basic. I'd start with--or follow with--a good 2-day course from a reputable instructor like Reitz/ITTS, etc.

                        The stress inoculation occurs through (properly run) force-on-force training and visualization with sufficient frequency.

                        Watch out for hype, there is much BS and wonky egos in the training world. But an instructor does not need to have been in combat to deliver a useful class, and many who have not seen the elephant have better technical and/or teaching skills than some who have, but at some point--if you are serious about becoming as prepared as you can be--you'll want to do some training with people who have prevailed in multiple shootings/combat.

                        Everyone has the capacity to get that good with stock equipment, putting in the work is where the magic happens. Sure, Taran has sweet customized guns, but if you see him run a stock pistol it won't look much different, and the differences will be in fractions of a second.

                        Training is the way.
                        Last edited by Stumpfenhammer; 06-06-2019, 3:04 PM.
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                        • SAD338
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 580

                          I kinda like Trexarms videos.

                          Dude can shoot.

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                          • crufflers
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 12723

                            Originally posted by SAD338
                            I kinda like Trexarms videos.

                            Dude can shoot.
                            Yeah I like them too. I think a lot of people call him a skinny dork. I don't know if he minds or not. I think Garandthumb refers to him similarly.

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                            • FAS1
                              Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 386

                              Lots of practice and light reloads.
                              Glenn

                              FAS1 SAFE

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                              • Mustard
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2013
                                • 563

                                Originally posted by crufflers
                                Yeah I like them too. I think a lot of people call him a skinny dork. I don't know if he minds or not. I think Garandthumb refers to him similarly.
                                Call him a skinny dork all you want. He still shoots WAY more and WAY better than 95% of calguns
                                Last edited by Mustard; 06-07-2019, 7:43 AM.

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