how does one shoot so fast??

[tbc]

He shoots the matches where I shoot. Nice guy. Always has a smile and shoots the **** with everyone. Honestly no different than the 99% of the guys that shoot USPSA. I've never participated in an organized, competitive sport, where the vast majority of competitors are very supportive, encouraging and willing to help lesser skilled folks improve. Really is a great community.

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I have heard a lot of similar stories about those supportive competitors. It is very encouraging and I just need to find the time to get into the sport.

Thank you for sharing.

[anonymouscuban]

I have heard a lot of similar stories about those supportive competitors. It is very encouraging and I just need to find the time to get into the sport.

Thank you for sharing.

DO IT! That goes for anyone thinking about competing.

I put it off for a whole year. Won't lie. I was nervous about not being good enough and looking "dumb". I wish I would have heeded the advice of so many that told me just to go shoot a match.

Just get there a little early and let them know at registration that you're new. They will pair you up with an experienced squad that will take good care of you.

The only way I can see anyone looking dumb is by showing up to a 1st match, not listening to the advice of the guys on the squad and try to prove something and getting DQ'd.

AGAIN... JUST DO IT!

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[CWL]

First comes smooth, then comes fast.

Treat firearms study as a martial art, where training and repetition is the only way to progress and improve. No way to cut corners.

[crufflers]

First comes smooth, then comes fast.

No way to cut corners.

I dunno if it is cutting corners, but TTI sure does get hollyweird stars looking decent pretty fast. I think expensive one-on-one expert training would be a fast track.

[Scratch705]

I dunno if it is cutting corners, but TTI sure does get hollyweird stars looking decent pretty fast. I think expensive one-on-one expert training would be a fast track.

we don't know how long TTI trains the stars. it can be hours, days, weeks.

we see videos of the end result of the training, but no before videos or actual in-training videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5zl-3BbkY

i hate buzzfeed, but they did a video on "training like john wick" and visited TTI

i haven't watched the video in a while, but i believe they did spend at least a day out there and they did improve on their shooting ability.

not the same level as keanu but from complete newbie to shooting at a level where they can compete in USPSA safely in one day is pretty good.

but i will say that the buzzfeed people got a very structured training though. they seem to only practice the 1 stage run all day. so like the quote in Jack Reacher

What does any training do? Skills become reflex. Muscle memory. You do without thinking. It also makes people, who are't necessarily smart seem smart by beating some tactical awareness into them.

[CWL]

I dunno if it is cutting corners, but TTI sure does get hollyweird stars looking decent pretty fast. I think expensive one-on-one expert training would be a fast track.

"Fast track" meaning getting the foundation down, but it still takes time and practice to improve for real.

A guy posted above that 30 days at a range with training & ammo would be enough... I disagree completely. That might be enough to get one to look good on camera, but it takes more than just a month at the range to develop consistent muscle memory and a physical "feel" to understanding your firearms' performance.

If it were that easy, we wouldn't need Special Warfare Operators or SWAT, we'd just need a range and a few cases of ammo.

Ever seen anyone work a speed bag at the gym? Think that it only took a few weeks?

Professional training, time, bullets and repeat.

[crufflers]

"Fast track" meaning getting the foundation down, but it still takes time and practice to improve for real.

Uh yeah. You have to have expert training so you know you are practicing something sound.

She does look fun.

[crufflers]

A guy posted above that 30 days at a range with training & ammo would be enough... I disagree completely. That might be enough to get one to look good on camera, but it takes more than just a month at the range to develop consistent muscle memory and a physical "feel" to understanding your firearms' performance.

There are some people who will tell you that being an expert at games doesn't help if a BG has a gun too in a real defensive situation... that you can't draw fast enough in some close situations to make it less dangerous than if you closed the distance and grabbed his gun. Not saying I agree, but it is interesting.

[caliberetta]

If you were talking about the Halle Berry video... it's not that hard.

SHOOT FROM 5 YARDS.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Bullcrap. Keannu and Halle Berry are using powder puff loads. There's no way a tiny female of that stature with thin wrists can shoot one-handed without any muzzle rise. No matter how much she practices. She's probably using a 22 load.

[SG29736]

There are some people who will tell you that being an expert at games doesn't help if a BG has a gun too in a real defensive situation... that you can't draw fast enough in some close situations to make it less dangerous than if you closed the distance and grabbed his gun. Not saying I agree, but it is interesting.

The most important thing you need is situational awareness. It would be pretty tough for anyone if you find yourself face to face and the bad guy already has his gun pointed at you. Competition shooters aren't counting on out drawing someone for self defense. But I'd rather have 10s of thousands of rounds downrange in practice and competition as opposed to having fired a gun very little. When you are out and about you usually notice sketchy people or situations before they're on top of you, if you're paying attention. Not always though.

[crufflers]

The most important thing you need is situational awareness.

[crufflers]

Bullcrap. Keannu and Halle Berry are using powder puff loads. There's no way a tiny female of that stature with thin wrists can shoot one-handed without any muzzle rise. No matter how much she practices. She's probably using a 22 load.

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[mmlook]

Bullcrap. Keannu and Halle Berry are using powder puff loads. There's no way a tiny female of that stature with thin wrists can shoot one-handed without any muzzle rise. No matter how much she practices. She's probably using a 22 load.

Ashley Rheuark

[AFTII]

This is my "beef" with the competitive shooting sports. Sit down and strap in, its going to be a while.

First, lots of you are talking about developing muscle memory. I have news for you, it doesn't exist. Fine muscle control goes out the window in a real shooting situation, its documented. It will happen to most people. There is no amount of training - that can prepare you for that. That brings me to my second gripe about "tactical" shooting sports.

Tactical shooting sports place scoring hits on bad guys above EVERYTHING else. Unless you are a LEO, your only goal should be to extract yourself from a LIFE THREATENING situation. However, these stupid games, which were originally introduced to aid LEO's in training for lethal force encounters, teach you to not only walk into danger - but to run as fast as you can into dangerous situations.

Really? I just neutralized my immediate threat and I'm off looking to murder, yes murder, some more people. This is the part of the "game" that bothers the **** out of me.

A far better option for most people is to take a thorough CCW class. I'm not talking about the stand in one place and shoot type class, but one where you are challenged with realistic threats, like being attacked real time while having to draw and fire. Just how close can that attacker be to you before you should abandon trying to draw your gun and prepare to engage in had to hand combat?

Third, the shooting part is not that difficult. Most people show up with a ****ty grip. Once you fix that, they start getting hits on target. Most people can go from that to drawing and firing in less than 2 seconds in an afternoon. From there, it takes about another hour to explain and have them understand the flash sight picture and be able to put 2 rounds in a 9" paper plate at 21'. You can learn all the skills you need to prevail in a gun fight in one weekend. It's not rocket science.

Finally, the most important aspect of any self-defense scenario (which is the only time us civilians can use deadly force) is to have an idea when the use of deadly force is justified. (FWIW, I think this applies to everyone who keeps a gun for self-defense, not just those who have CCWs.) You don't get that training playing games. In my experience, most people don't know **** about self-defense law let alone what constitutes brandishing or that brandishing is a crime. What do you do after the shooting? Should you call the police? When? How should you deal with the police? What can you do to lawfully secure the scene before the police get there? What are your potential civil liabilities? Again, this goes hand in hand with my second criticism. Pulling a gun on someone is not a small matter. Shooting someone is serious business. If you decide to use deadly force in the wrong situation, you could lose your life, liberty and everything you hold dear.

So, if you want to play the games to play the games or to train for a part in a movie, awesome. However, shooting these competitions DOES NOT prepare you for a real life self-defense situation. It is not training for any "tactical situation" a civilian should be involved in. It is NOT a substitute for a true self-defense class, yet people want to treat it as though it is. That's fine. You are all adults. But you should recognize that those of you that think that playing these games is a substitute for proper training may make some of my colleagues practicing criminal law very rich.