how does one shoot so fast??

[Scratch705]

Yep and unfortunately it's hard to find places to practice and train when getting started unless you have access to a private range in CA or go out to BLM.

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well training is done through classes. where you can then do all the fancy stuff.

practice is the harder part.

in LA area, the only places I know of that allows public rental of private bays is Angeles, Burro, and Raahauges.

there are some that allow rentals, but only to training businesses or LEO. (pala being one)

the easiest one is Raahauges, since there is no waitlist/signup. you just go, and wait in line as it is first come first served (but can only stay 2 hour max i believe). Angeles and Burro require signups and have very long wait times. Burro is at like 3-4 months wait for a weekend slot. Weekdays i'm unsure since i never asked. but these you can stay open-close so no rush.

[brix]

well training is done through classes. where you can then do all the fancy stuff.



practice is the harder part.



in LA area, the only places I know of that allows public rental of private bays is Angeles, Burro, and Raahauges.



there are some that allow rentals, but only to training businesses or LEO. (pala being one)



the easiest one is Raahauges, since there is no waitlist/signup. you just go, and wait in line as it is first come first served (but can only stay 2 hour max i believe). Angeles and Burro require signups and have very long wait times. Burro is at like 3-4 months wait for a weekend slot. Weekdays i'm unsure since i never asked. but these you can stay open-close so no rush.

In the Bay Area most of the regular ranges have practice sessions or you can get practice time but they all require special privileges, like approval from the club president or you have to belong to the club which has a set of requirements. But if you make friends with local shooters they might invite you to a practice session.

Sounds a little easier up here but not as when I live in Vegas. Most ranges will allow rapid fire and to draw from holster and to find a bay to practice isn't too hard as long as you belonged to a club.

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[morrcarr67]

It's both, but it is also who he's training with. Taran Butler was a top competitive shooter, and has built the pistols for speed and accuracy. Taran knows his stuff. There is a reason why people pay a lot of money to train with top competitive shooters, because they can watch how you shoot and help you shoot faster by correcting the small things and teach you techniques to shoot faster accurately. What it comes down to it practicing the correct techniques under a watchful eye and taking that feedback and pushing yourself to improve just like and sport.

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I can't tell you how many times I've corrected people who say "practice makes perfect".

If you are doing something wrong and continue to practice it that way you will become very good at doing it wrong.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

[tomrkba]

[broadside]

I can't tell you how many times I've corrected people who say "practice makes perfect".

If you are doing something wrong and continue to practice it that way you will become very good at doing it wrong.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

The problem is that what works for most does not work for all and that needs to be respected. I can't make a "standard" 4 finger support hand grip work for me but so many people have tried to "train" me in that grip.

But as long as it is a workable solution, then you can practice it a lot and that makes your perfect.

[bubbala]

The problem is that what works for most does not work for all and that needs to be respected. I can't make a "standard" 4 finger support hand grip work for me but so many people have tried to "train" me in that grip.

But as long as it is a workable solution, then you can practice it a lot and that makes your perfect.

take a lesson or two

[bubbala]

I can't tell you how many times I've corrected people who say "practice makes perfect".

If you are doing something wrong and continue to practice it that way you will become very good at doing it wrong.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

take a lesson or two

[anonymouscuban]

It comes down to two things. Commitment and training.

I started competing in USPSA in January. Before that, I shot weekly at an indoor range at paper. I could shoot tight groups with no time limit but none of it prepared me for action pistol shooting.

3 things you must learn to shoot fast.

1. Grip
2. Seeing an acceptable sight picture
3. Calling your shots

A proper grip is the most important and it's what 99% of people lack. It's not just knowing how to hold the gun. It is also understanding how strong a grip to have. Majority of people don't grip hard enough. It's also know how to apply that force so your sights track straight up and down.

Understanding what kind of sight picture you need to make a particular shot is also key. For example, I'm at the point where, if it's an open target within about 10 years, I can be completely target focused and once I see my muzzle come up, I can make the shot and hit the A zone. However, if its outside of 10 yards or it's a partial target or small plate, I need to shift to front sight focus and get a good sight picture for a more precise shot. Any target larger than a dinner plate within 5 yards and it's a hoser!!

Lastly and most importantly is calling your shots. The ability to know as soon as that shot breaks where its gonna hit based on the sight picture you saw. This is the hardest of the 3 to learn. I'm still working on this. It's not entirely trained in my subconscious yes. I can call some of my shots. But about 50% of the times I can't. Calling you shots allows you to transition to the next shot as soon as you break the shot. No need to explain how this will allow you to shoot multiple targets faster.

All of the above seemed impossible to me back in January. But through daily dry fire and weekly live fire training, I have improved tremendously.

That all said, I've watched both the Reeves and Berry video at Taran's range. Impressive but not that impressive. Keep in mind they are engaging full sized steel silhouettes at distance no greater than 10 yards. Most are within 7. What impressed me is the handling, trigger and muzzle awareness, reloads, more than the actual shooter. Watch it at 25% speed on YouTube. You will see that Reeves has quite a few Mikes when he is running the pistol. Many are lucky misses; hit the edge of the silhouette. Berry is actually a better shot than Reeves with the pistol. Her groups are much better.

Want to shoot like them? You can. You just have to commit and train. I really encourage any of you that think this is cool to go check out a local match. Better yet, sign up and shoot one. Take it from me, you will never be good enough until you shoot a match. Nothing but actually shooting one will prepare you for one.

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[code_blue]

Lots and lots of practice under specific conditions.

[SDCarpenter]

They are also using Taran tactical's Gucci tricked out guns... Heavily modified.
But of course it all comes down to practice, the top shooters dryfire probably everyday.

[mlentzner]

Also train your grip strength

[broadside]

It comes down to two things. Commitment and training.

I started competing in USPSA in January. Before that, I shot weekly at an indoor range at paper. I could shoot tight groups with no time limit but none of it prepared me for action pistol shooting.

3 things you must learn to shoot fast.

1. Grip
2. Seeing an acceptable sight picture
3. Calling your shots

A proper grip is the most important and it's what 99% of people lack. It's not just knowing how to hold the gun. It is also understanding how strong a grip to have. Majority of people don't grip hard enough. It's also know how to apply that force so your sights track straight up and down.

Understanding what kind of sight picture you need to make a particular shot is also key. For example, I'm at the point where, if it's an open target within about 10 years, I can be completely target focused and once I see my muzzle come up, I can make the shot and hit the A zone. However, if its outside of 10 yards or it's a partial target or small plate, I need to shift to front sight focus and get a good sight picture for a more precise shot. Any target larger than a dinner plate within 5 yards and it's a hoser!!

Lastly and most importantly is calling your shots. The ability to know as soon as that shot breaks where its gonna hit based on the sight picture you saw. This is the hardest of the 3 to learn. I'm still working on this. It's not entirely trained in my subconscious yes. I can call some of my shots. But about 50% of the times I can't. Calling you shots allows you to transition to the next shot as soon as you break the shot. No need to explain how this will allow you to shoot multiple targets faster.

All of the above seemed impossible to me back in January. But through daily dry fire and weekly live fire training, I have improved tremendously.

That all said, I've watched both the Reeves and Berry video at Taran's range. Impressive but not that impressive. Keep in mind they are engaging full sized steel silhouettes at distance no greater than 10 yards. Most are within 7. What impressed me is the handling, trigger and muzzle awareness, reloads, more than the actual shooter. Watch it at 25% speed on YouTube. You will see that Reeves has quite a few Mikes when he is running the pistol. Many are lucky misses; hit the edge of the silhouette. Berry is actually a better shot than Reeves with the pistol. Her groups are much better.

Want to shoot like them? You can. You just have to commit and train. I really encourage any of you that think this is cool to go check out a local match. Better yet, sign up and shoot one. Take it from me, you will never be good enough until you shoot a match. Nothing but actually shooting one will prepare you for one.

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This, all of this.

Point shooting is a learned skill and I can use it up to 10 yards or so on open targets, 5-7 yards for partially covered and do fine most of the time.

Dry fire from the draw to ensure the proper grip for you and initial sight picture and trigger press is important if you can't do live fire often.

Then practice reloads and getting back on target is also very important as most folks have to adjust their grip after reloading and don't always get back on the same way they came off.

Then factor in speed. Transitions from target to target, array to array, position to position are paramount. I upped my positional transition speed and went from 50-55% ranks for 65-75% ranks for field courses.

[BigBamBoo]

[ysr_racer]

How do you get to Carnegie Hall in New York, from here?

[BigBamBoo]

Just thought I would add this. This is my neighbor. He started shooting Tueday Night Steel with us 2 years ago having never been into shooting.

He is now ranked Master in USPSA Carry Optics Division.