how does one shoot so fast??

[broadside]

I can't tell at box 1 because it is just too close, and you cannot see the impact downrange of that first shot (audio damns him, but you can't be sure that a/v sync is perfect). But it is damn close. I would have let him slide there as RO unless I happened to be staring at his feet while listening for the gun (my attention is usually on the hands/gun for safety's sake).

Box 2 has a clear as day first shot before he has even stepped down into the box, and most likely a second shot while his back foot is still in contact with the ground outside of the box. One procedural for sure, but not sure about the second since I had to play the video in slo-mo to see. My rule as an RO is that if there is any doubt, then the shooter gets the benefit of the doubt.

BTW, if shooter is a B Class but only started competing in December, then he shows a lot of talent.

Having to move into the shooting area I could see watching the feet and listening for the shot to break. The gun can be watched up to that point (for moving+finger infractions) and then look down. Its easier in that stage since only a port is available for shooting so knowing where the gun is is easy enough. Corner of eye can catch big infractions.

Second one is for sure one, possibly two but its harder to watch feet and gun when targets are in the open like that.

I tried to only watch in full speed as that is how an RO would see things and I do give benefit to the shooter when I am not 100%. BUt like we both said, can't fully trust a/v sync.

[BigBamBoo]

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Seeing this again - definitely slow! Definitely much room to improve!
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Here is one to strive for.

[JTROKS]

Here is one to strive for.

A little bit of a trigger freeze on the second run there...

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A little bit of a trigger freeze on the second run there...

First string was 2.87 and second string 2.88, doubt there was any trigger freeze.

Doubt there are that many competitors that can draw, fire 5 shots reload and fire another 5 shots in that amount of time. I think he had a charlie on the first string and clean on the second string.

[JTROKS]

First string was 2.87 and second string 2.88, doubt there was any trigger freeze.

Doubt there are that many competitors that can draw, fire 5 shots reload and fire another 5 shots in that amount of time. I think he had a charlie on the first string and clean on the second string.

He had a 0.01 sec trigger freeze on the second run...

[Win231]

You know the bullet is long gone, before the gun moves, right?

I'm always surprised & amused when so-called experts say "Remember, the gun is recoiling while the bullet is still in the barrel."
How could they have never seen slow-mo videos that are everywhere?

[anonymouscuban]

I'm always surprised & amused when so-called experts say "Remember, the gun is recoiling while the bullet is still in the barrel."

How could they have never seen slow-mo videos that are everywhere?

Can you explain to me why a 147gr bullet, at 130 power factor has a higher POI than a 115gr bullet at the same power factor, from the same gun, same sights, same POA, all while shooting from a rest? Higher by 7 inches at 25 yards.



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Can you explain to me why a 147gr bullet, at 130 power factor has a higher POI than a 115gr bullet at the same power factor, from the same gun, same sights, same POA, all while shooting from a rest? Higher by 7 inches at 25 yards.
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Ballistic co-efficient of that bullet, also trajectory is different due to differences in speed (heavier bullet would be moving slower in order to have the same power factor).

I wished to have the same POI (+/- 1" or so) at 50 yards for my 500 grain solids and 450 grain hollow point bullets out of my hunting gun. It was a lot of work to get loads that would do that.

[JTROKS]

Since we're referencing YT videos. Nice slow motion shots of bullets leaving the barrel in 9mm, 45 ACP, 7.62x39, 50BMG. You decide if there is no considerable rearward movement of the pistol slides before the bullets exit the barrel. Starts at 1:30 mark.

[rodralig]

Here is one to strive for.

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I am NOT going to deny that this was an awesome run!

But with an Open Gun, Race Holster and a Magwell - those advantages "add" up, me thinks...

Doing this with a Production Glock, where the only modification was grip tape, polished trigger and a precision barrel... As Ben Stoeger once replied to one of my questions in his forum, "... an Open shooter should be at least 20% better than a similarly skilled Production shooter..."

Then again - it won't hurt me to strive

Doubt there are that many competitors that can draw, fire 5 shots reload and fire another 5 shots in that amount of time. I think he had a charlie on the first string and clean on the second string.

Can you explain to me why a 147gr bullet, at 130 power factor has a higher POI than a 115gr bullet at the same power factor, from the same gun, same sights, same POA, all while shooting from a rest? Higher by 7 inches at 25 yards.

Yup! This frustrated me a lot... Since I don't reload (can't reload at the moment) - I get what is out there... And when I get 147GR - yes, really high at 25-yards, that I have to remember the holdover (Bullseye hold compared to front sight blade, for example).


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[Gryff]

Can you explain to me why a 147gr bullet, at 130 power factor has a higher POI than a 115gr bullet at the same power factor, from the same gun, same sights, same POA, all while shooting from a rest? Higher by 7 inches at 25 yards.

In theory, the 115gr bullet leaves the barrel faster than a 147gr at the same power factor, so the recoil rotational impulse will have less time to affect the POI. But while this could explain a slightly higher POI for the 147gr, 7" seems like quite a lot.

[anonymouscuban]

In theory, the 115gr bullet leaves the barrel faster than a 147gr at the same power factor, so the recoil rotational impulse will have less time to affect the POI. But while this could explain a slightly higher POI for the 147gr, 7" seems like quite a lot.

7" high average POI shooting 147gr coated bullet out of my SP-01. About 130 power factor. 900 fps average. Like a dummy, I shot a match without zeroing in my gun when I first started using this load. I had all Mikes on the head shots of a classifier. I couldn't explain it at the time because I had good sight pictures.

Next day, headed to range. First, string I shot was not braced, free hand slow fire. 7" high. Didn't make sense so I tried a 2nd and 3rd string from a rest. Same result. Had my friend and the RO shoot it. Same result.

I ended up ordering a taller front sight. Running a .215 now. Actually love the tall blade. Really easy to pick up. Crazy though. If I didn't witness this myself, I'd call BS.

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[Win231]

Can you explain to me why a 147gr bullet, at 130 power factor has a higher POI than a 115gr bullet at the same power factor, from the same gun, same sights, same POA, all while shooting from a rest? Higher by 7 inches at 25 yards.

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Yes, I can. The heavier bullet has a different trajectory than a lighter bullet. Bullets don't travel in a straight line; they travel in a curve - called "Trajectory." Weight and velocity change the trajectory, causing a different POI.
Search "Trajectory," & look at the charts.

[Jesse 2]

how does one shoot so fast??

I'm always surprised & amused when so-called experts say "Remember, the gun is recoiling while the bullet is still in the barrel."

How could they have never seen slow-mo videos that are everywhere?