2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[wabashman]

So who has deals on the Sig brace? Joe Bob's has the pink one for $49 but that's not really my color.

Could just paint it. $80+ cheaper than normally priced.....

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[Nor*Cal]

Could just paint it. $80+ cheaper than normally priced.....

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It's plastic. Much better to dye it black in a pot of boiling water. Once dyed, even scratches will be black.

[Nickalapokis]

"Make" is your personal full name.
It will come back registered to "US" (Unlicensed Subject)

The space between U and S is important, its listed as " U S " and not " US "

Thanks for bearing with me so far.

So if I'm understanding right. I put in "U S" for Unknown Subject or what it is titled. Then in their system they take my First and Last name for the make? As in, I cannot input that info anywhere on the form.

Also theres no option for "Multi" as a caliber choice even though my lower as Multi on it for CAL. Should I just input what caliber it is now?

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[weightsb4dates]

Hey dudes,

I've read through this thread and I'm still having trouble completely understanding this. If I built an AR pistol a few years back and never registered the 80% at all, and now I need to register it but it is semi auto, is there no possible way to do this?

Must I revert to single shot then register it?

Must I take it to a local ffl or police station to have it registered and verified as single shot. What evidence is required for the voluntary registration that would indicate that it was built as compliant (single shot) pistol?

Do I just fill out the form and I'm good to go?

What's with this shrouded barrel business? Will I have to remove my handguard?

Will the armaglock or Franklin fixed magazine effectively exempt the pistol from aw status or is it in its own field because it's a pistol and not a rifle?

So many question, and so much confusion. One of the more knowledgable lgs/ffl guys told me that as long as I had completed the build prior to 2016 I should have no issues, and that I can just log in and vol reg the firearm as it was built and that's it, and that if there were any question whether or not it was built before the date of registration that would be the burden of the state to determine?

I really wouldn't want to have to convert it to a rifle in order to be legal beagle, so what do I do?

[TygerAR]

About the same question as Weightsb4dates. I have an AR pistol that was bought and DROS in 2012 and a 80% completed in 2012.

Nothing has been done to them, and they are in their legal 2012 state/configuration, and no forms filed.

Can they remain in this state (semi-auto with BB button)? I understand that 80% needs to be engraved, and both will need to be register as AW. What else needs to be done to keep them legal?

[Nor*Cal]

Answers below is blue.

Hey dudes,

I've read through this thread and I'm still having trouble completely understanding this. If I built an AR pistol a few years back and never registered the 80% at all, and now I need to register it but it is semi auto, is there no possible way to do this?

You can self register it as a semi-auto using the online form. Or you can wait for the Assault Weapon Registration regulations and registration process to come out and then register it as an Assault Weapon. If you register now, you will have to do it again unless the pistol is modified with one of the new devices that force you to open the action to reload.

Must I revert to single shot then register it?

No, you should not revert to single shot unless you want it to remain a single shot.

Must I take it to a local ffl or police station to have it registered and verified as single shot. What evidence is required for the voluntary registration that would indicate that it was built as compliant (single shot) pistol?

No, and no evidence is needed for registration. You can register it as a semi-auto and put in the notes that it was originally built as a CA compliant single shot pistol and converted to semi-auto prior to 2017.

Do I just fill out the form and I'm good to go?

You can self register online now but you might want to wait for the assault weapon registration process. If you already self assigned and engraved a serial number, you might want to self register now in case they allow you to keep the same serial number and not force you to apply for a DOJ assigned number. That's what I did just in case I can avoid having to engrave a 2nd number on my 80% pistol. If you have not yet engraved your pistol, you should wait for the assault weapon registration regulations to be in place.

What's with this shrouded barrel business? Will I have to remove my handguard?

Not sure what you've read or heard but no.

Will the armaglock or Franklin fixed magazine effectively exempt the pistol from aw status or is it in its own field because it's a pistol and not a rifle?

Those devices should exempt the pistol from assault weapon registration.

So many question, and so much confusion. One of the more knowledgable lgs/ffl guys told me that as long as I had completed the build prior to 2016 I should have no issues, and that I can just log in and vol reg the firearm as it was built and that's it, and that if there were any question whether or not it was built before the date of registration that would be the burden of the state to determine?

Correct. For the current self registration, they will not ask for any proof and do not require any pictures or receipts.

I really wouldn't want to have to convert it to a rifle in order to be legal beagle, so what do I do?

No need to do so. And if you did convert to a rifle, you could never convert it back to a pistol.

About the same question as Weightsb4dates. I have an AR pistol that was bought and DROS in 2012 and a 80% completed in 2012.

Nothing has been done to them, and they are in their legal 2012 state/configuration, and no forms filed.

Can they remain in this state (semi-auto with BB button)? I understand that 80% needs to be engraved, and both will need to be register as AW. What else needs to be done to keep them legal?

Nothing. You just need to wait for the Assault Weapon Registration regulations so you can confirm what the serial number requirement is before you have them engraved for registration. The Assault Weapon Registration regulations that the DOJ withdrew a few months ago had a requirement that 80% Assault Weapon builds needed to request a serial number from the DOJ even if you had already self assigned one. So, since you have not yet engraved, you should wait until the final regulations are in place.

[weightsb4dates]

Answers below is blue.

You are the man. Thanks.

[MolonLabe1]

Answers below is blue.

I have an 80% AR pistol built in 2014, converted to semi, no serial yet (but I will have that done before 7/1/18 before the requirement kicks in), with the ARMaglock in it. So as I understand, I'm good to go as long as I get it engraved prior to the date above, meaning I don't have to register this firearm, right?


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[Nor*Cal]

I have an 80% AR pistol built in 2014, converted to semi, no serial yet (but I will have that done before 7/1/18 before the requirement kicks in), with the ARMaglock in it. So as I understand, I'm good to go as long as I get it engraved prior to the date above, meaning I don't have to register this firearm, right?


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I believe that's correct. You don't need to worry about the assault weapon registration, just the ghost gun bill that requires the engraving. Do it before 7/1/18 and you don't need to get a state assigned serial number.

[MolonLabe1]

I believe that's correct. You don't need to worry about the assault weapon registration, just the ghost gun bill that requires the engraving. Do it before 7/1/18 and you don't need to get a state assigned serial number.

Yeah... that's what I've been trying to explain to folks on this blog, but it's gotten so convoluted with the gun roster talk and all.


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[cidsta]

Any engraving locations in socal?


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[lotus]

engraving

I got mine done at 80% arms in Santa Ana.

[B1ack0pz]

Any engraving locations in socal?


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There's a trophy shop in Antelope Valley that does engraving for cheap, got two of my lowers engraved there for $20. There's also another spot in Sylmar that does engraving called Atomic Engraving. Only two places I know of in my area. You can always try calling trophy shops in your area, that's what I did.

[TygerAR]

Thanks Nor*Cal. You're the man

[DakotaUnchained]

Hey guys,

Just my take:

1.) Single shot break top bolt guns are exempt from the roster. So you can build one as long as it has never been a semi-auto handgun.

2.) There are no laws prohibiting you from taking that single shot pistol and making it semi-automatic. Some here have stated that PC 29180........ ""(a) For purposes of this chapter, “manufacturing” or “assembling” a firearm means to fabricate or construct a firearm, or to fit together the component parts of a firearm to construct a firearm."......changes the law to not allow you to modify your single shot pistol to semi-auto.
I don't believe this is the case. Chapter 3 is clearly outlining the registration requirement for someone who "manufactures" or "assembles" a firearm after July 1st, 2018......not redefining the word "manufacture".

Thoughts?